"Hanoi Jane" apologizing for vietnam trip

[Mighty1]

Originally posted by Airhead
I don't either Mighty1- I look at more as becoming what we despise.

If this type of protest is to be condoned as being legitimate then I guess what you're saying is those people who spit on returning Vets were just as justified to spit on them as Mr. Smith was to spit on Jane Fonda.

I just can't buy that- like I said, a pie in the face I would have chuckled at- but spitting is over-the-top, regardless of who's spitting and why.

I just think it's overdue payback for what she did.

BTW why is a pie in the face OK? It's the same sh|t!

[Ghosth]

No I was never in the service, but Jane still ticks me off.  It did back then, and it still does, it will till she's gone.

Its one thing to hold a dissenting opinion.

Its quite another to take that  to the enemy, to be a traitor to your own country in thought if not in deed.


People in the public eye should hold themselves to a higher standard.  They are after all examples to millions of people.

Same as the Dixie Chicks when they made some unfavorable comments. No one says they couldn't think what they choose.

But don't run down your country when it counts.  Hanoi Jane, Dixie chicks, etc will never see a dime from me. Frankly she deserved to be spit on.  I just wished it would happen wherever she goes.


Put her in the same cells our boys lived in for years. Feed her the same diet.

THEN after a year or 2, I think you'd sese a REAL apoligy.

This one is all media hype.

[midnight Target]

I just wonder how many of the Jane haters would pay money to meet a Nazi air ace? Or how about one of the pilots who dropped an armor piercing bomb on the Arizona?  

You guys crack me up.

[Toad]

You can't see the difference between soldiers on the opposing side and someone on your side that gives aid and comfort to the enemy?

You crack me up.

[mosgood]

Originally posted by Airhead
I don't either Mighty1- I look at more as becoming what we despise.

If this type of protest is to be condoned as being legitimate then I guess what you're saying is those people who spit on returning Vets were just as justified to spit on them as Mr. Smith was to spit on Jane Fonda.

I just can't buy that- like I said, a pie in the face I would have chuckled at- but spitting is over-the-top, regardless of who's spitting and why.

Airhead... I gotta ask this....  were you personally injured, in any way, by anything that Jane Fonda has done?  My impression is, like me, you were not.  You were not a soldier fighting for your county while a hollywood brat used her celebrity status to attempt to demoralize you and your fellow soldiers in the field.... and boost the moral of your enemies that are trying to kill you.

Maybe I'm wrong and you were one of those soldiers... but I don't think so.  I think that you really have no reference for how a lot of those people feel.  I can understand how you can feel that this was outrageous....  but in truth... if she sincerly attempted to heal those wounds, instead of just put a band-aid on it everytime she wants to make a buck...  it would go a lot further towards these people forgiving.




IMO.... Jane Fonda is one of the perfect examples of how screwed up the 60's generation was.....  They had something noble to say about how they felt about the establishment and it was their right to say it and even try to change it.... but they chose, in mass, to expressed it by taking drugs (to show their defiance) and attacking soldiers.  And like the childeren they were acting like, they didn't get heard... they were just tollerated until they burned themselves out.



(steps off of soapbox)

[Toad]

Originally posted by mosgood
Jane Fonda is one of the perfect examples of how screwed up the 60's generation was.....  They had something noble to say about how they felt about the establishment and it was their right to say it and even try to change it.... but they chose, in mass, to expressed it by taking drugs (to show their defiance) and attacking soldiers.  And like the childeren they were acting like, they didn't get heard... they were just tollerated until they burned themselves out.
(steps off of soapbox)

I'm "sixties generation".

Just a heads up; you posted a generalization. In general, you're wrong.  

The media likes to give the impression that every kid in the country was wearing tie-dyed shirts, wearing beads and long hair, smoking dope and waving the peace sign.

In truth, there was a little of that. In fact, in some places, there was a LOT of that. There may have even been a few places where EVERYONE was like that.

However, taken overall, it was just the old "bell curve". There were a very few at both extreme ends of the spectrum and most of us were somewhere in the great mass in the middle.

[mosgood]

Originally posted by Toad
I'm "sixties generation".

Just a heads up; you posted a generalization. In general, you're wrong.  

The media likes to give the impression that every kid in the country was wearing tie-dyed shirts, wearing beads and long hair, smoking dope and waving the peace sign.

In truth, there was a little of that. In fact, in some places, there was a LOT of that. There may have even been a few places where EVERYONE was like that.

However, taken overall, it was just the old "bell curve". There were a very few at both extreme ends of the spectrum and most of us were somewhere in the great mass in the middle.

OK.  I thought about that when I wrote  this...  and my parents and their friends WERE those hippies so I guess that's where I get that impression

[Momus--]

Do you guys have as much vitriol to throw at the leaders on your own side who started, perpetuated and escalated the conflict as you do for one dumb and misguided woman who was trying to end it?

[Airhead]

Originally posted by mosgood
Airhead... I gotta ask this....  were you personally injured, in any way, by anything that Jane Fonda has done?  My impression is, like me, you were not.  You were not a soldier fighting for your county while a hollywood brat used her celebrity status to attempt to demoralize you and your fellow soldiers in the field.... and boost the moral of your enemies that are trying to kill you.

Maybe I'm wrong and you were one of those soldiers... but I don't think so.  I think that you really have no reference for how a lot of those people feel.  I can understand how you can feel that this was outrageous....  but in truth... if she sincerly attempted to heal those wounds, instead of just put a band-aid on it everytime she wants to make a buck...  it would go a lot further towards these people forgiving.




IMO.... Jane Fonda is one of the perfect examples of how screwed up the 60's generation was.....  They had something noble to say about how they felt about the establishment and it was their right to say it and even try to change it.... but they chose, in mass, to expressed it by taking drugs (to show their defiance) and attacking soldiers.  And like the childeren they were acting like, they didn't get heard... they were just tollerated until they burned themselves out.



(steps off of soapbox)

(sigh) Mosgood,  I'm a Viet Vet, did one year in-country 1970-71....and I feel this fact is irrevelent when it comes to acceptable behavior.  No, I won't be waiting in line to get a book signed, but at the same time I won't be waiting in line to spit on her either.

At NO POINT did I condone or excuse what Jane Fonda did in Hanoi in 1972, but, as usual, a bunch of you dip ****s will twist a statement like "spitting is vile and disgusting" and turn it into "You love Jane Fonda."

Oh, as a member of the 60s generation I must inform you that you're full of **** on that one too- as a matter of fact there was LESS drug abuse, and LESS (i mean, like NONE) casual sex than there is among young people today. We did sports, went to proms, tuned our Chevys in Auto Shop, and met at the lake for kegger parties on Saturday nights- pretty tame stuff compared to what kids are doing today.

[Mighty1]

Yup!

[mosgood]

Originally posted by Airhead
(sigh) Mosgood,  I'm a Viet Vet, did one year in-country 1970-71....and I feel this fact is irrevelent when it comes to acceptable behavior.  No, I won't be waiting in line to get a book signed, but at the same time I won't be waiting in line to spit on her either.

At NO POINT did I condone or excuse what Jane Fonda did in Hanoi in 1972, but, as usual, a bunch of you dip ****s will twist a statement like "spitting is vile and disgusting" and turn it into "You love Jane Fonda."

Oh, as a member of the 60s generation I must inform you that you're full of **** on that one too- as a matter of fact there was LESS drug abuse, and LESS (i mean, like NONE) casual sex than there is among young people today. We did sports, went to proms, tuned our Chevys in Auto Shop, and met at the lake for kegger parties on Saturday nights- pretty tame stuff compared to what kids are doing today.

Like I said... maybe I'm wrong.  Airhead...  this is the second thread in a row that you have been totally defensive and construed something I've said into an attack on you.  I never said "You Love Jane Fonda".  I said that you might not have the same reference that others might have.  Drama can be entertaining... is that what your goal is here?  because you seem to like to turn a lot of my opinions into a dramatic scene where you feel attacked.

what's up?

[Toad]

Originally posted by Momus--
Do you guys have as much vitriol to throw at the leaders on your own side who started, perpetuated and escalated the conflict as you do for one dumb and misguided woman who was trying to end it?

Yeah, I do. I think Bob McNamara should have been hung. I think LBJ should have been impeached. Nixon had his faultsf or sure but he's the one that got us out of there eventually.

[Toad]

Originally posted by Airhead
[Bpretty tame stuff compared to what kids are doing today. [/B]

You said it better than I did. But the truth isn't as ded saxxy is it? The media is bored with the truth.  

[mosgood]

Originally posted by Toad
You said it better than I did. But the truth isn't as ded saxxy is it? The media is bored with the truth.  

I gotta tell ya that I've really always been under the impression that a lot of the 60's generation were a bunch of hippies and drug users.  This is new info to stick in my pipe to smoke  

[Toad]

I went to Kansas, which was considered a pretty "radical" campus at the time. Some clowns tried to burn the ROTC building, for example.

Maybe 10% of the student body were into the long-haired-beads-flowered-peace-love-dope and understanding thing.

Your real life experience must be telling you this is the truth.

You know it's never 100% of anything; there's always the bell curve. Think of the hippies as the "early adopters".