Mexican Military on Standby in Response to Minutemen

[ASTAC]

It's gonna take a little of both...without people going to EVERY farm in the US..or every illegal sweat shop..you'll never find all the employers..so while hunting for illegal employers..we must also hunt for illegals crossing the boarder....doing only one will never work.

[culero]

Originally posted by Dnil
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I am all for LEGAL immigration, bring um on love to have them.  This sneaking across the borders and not following the rules is not an option.

I agree.

The point here is what's the most effective way to correct the problem. IMO, its dry up the job source first, then clean up what little illegal immigration is left next (it'll be such a small portion of what we have now it'll be much easier and less costly).

culero

[culero]

Originally posted by ASTAC
It's gonna take a little of both...without people going to EVERY farm in the US..or every illegal sweat shop..you'll never find all the employers..so while hunting for illegal employers..we must also hunt for illegals crossing the boarder....doing only one will never work.

Absolutely right.

The problem is, precious little is being done to solve what's wrong here, and everybody I see discussing it seems to be a reactionary that wants persecution of the illegal immigrants to be the only means used to solve the problem.

There is simply a more effective way to get to the end, and that's housecleaning.

culero

[culero]

Originally posted by ASTAC
As an American..go anywhere else where it is the norm to have signs in both the Native language and English...you won't find it...Go anywhere and see if the public schools cater to your "special" needs as a non-official language speaker.

ESOL=English as a SecOnd Language....the most perposterous public school program I've ever heard of.

If they come here..come legally..and once you are here learn English or you are assed out.

One of the reasons I am proud to be a US citizen is because we don't have an official language.

One of the reasons that I want to channel immigration into legal immigration as opposed to illegal immigration (by shutting off illegal job sources) is because most Mexican immigrants, given the chance to, will enthusiastically comply with legal requirements to become US citizens....including the portion of the naturalization requirements that specify basic English literacy.

And, yes, I do know for a fact what the hell I'm saying there.

culero

[ASTAC]

I agree...I can live with a plan that would legalize the ones already here..make them citizens and subject to all federal laws...especially taxes and such....try harder to keep new illegals out...and crack down on employers (probrably the biggest/hardest part)

[culero]

Originally posted by ASTAC
I agree...I can live with a plan that would legalize the ones already here..make them citizens and subject to all federal laws...especially taxes and such....try harder to keep new illegals out...and crack down on employers (probrably the biggest/hardest part)

Which is exactly what I've been trying to get folks to see all along. (Especially that its the illegal employers here that's the ROOT of the problem).

culero

[Steve]

I agree...I can live with a plan that would legalize the ones already here..make them citizens and subject to all federal laws...especially taxes and such....try harder to keep new illegals out

This would be the worst thing we could do, short of giving up completely.  All Mexicans who are considering coming here illegally would then rush stateside, figuring they'd get amnesty eventually.

[ASTAC]

Then once that is done..we need to break down the cultiural divides...it has always bothered me that immigrants set up their country within ours..hence "little Italy"..China Town..and the like...if we are to survive as a country we need to be a country and try to find some sort of common culture and not all come here and stay seperate. It's sad to be an American citizen but be unwelcome in certain neighborhoods because I am not of the same race/culture as the people living there, and vice versa. Those kind of places encourage people not to assimilate and not to meld with the general population. Not saying it shopuld be left behind..or that all people need to come here and be Wasps..just that we need to be one people.

And for Steve..ther would have to be some sort of cutoff date.

[Steve]

Especially that its the illegal employers here that's the ROOT of the problem).

This is pure Bullshiit.  The root of the problem is a weak Mexican economy and a corrput Mexican govt.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Steve
This is pure Bullshiit.  The root of the problem is a weak Mexican economy and a corrput Mexican govt.

isnt that mexico's problem and not ours?

[Steve]

It's our problem, as far as illegals go, that induces them to come here.

[culero]

Originally posted by ASTAC
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ESOL=English as a SecOnd Language....the most perposterous public school program I've ever heard of.

If they come here..come legally..and once you are here learn English or you are assed out.

BTW - I agree about the ESOL thing, and if you think this discussion here is pissing me off, lemme tell you it's a milquetoast reaction compared to what I'd be doing in local community circles and politically with the school board if that crap was being proposed in my own local schools (it wouldn't be the first time I've been on local TV because of raising public hell about public stupidity).

My 7 year old grandson goes to school where Spanish as a second language is part of the local curriculum and I want it that way. But, that same school focuses on any kids who aren't fluent in English by devoting special resources to them to bring their English up to par while mainstreaming them as much as possible, rather than the reverse. This is IMO the way it should be.

culero

[culero]

Originally posted by Steve
This is pure Bullshiit.  The root of the problem is a weak Mexican economy and a corrput Mexican govt.

LOL, this is BS dood

The Mexican economy and government are no more weak and corrupt than those elements in most of the world, as a matter of fact outside of Europe and the rest of North America Mexico compares rather favorably.

I'd go so far as to say that so far as personal sophistication, ethics, and morals are concerned that Mexico compares rather favorably with anywhere in the world.

Especially where the kind of bigotry I see being displayed here over this issue is concerned.

culero

[culero]

Originally posted by ASTAC
Then once that is done..we need to break down the cultiural divides...it has always bothered me that immigrants set up their country within ours..hence "little Italy"..China Town..and the like...if we are to survive as a country we need to be a country and try to find some sort of common culture and not all come here and stay seperate. It's sad to be an American citizen but be unwelcome in certain neighborhoods because I am not of the same race/culture as the people living there, and vice versa. Those kind of places encourage people not to assimilate and not to meld with the general population. Not saying it shopuld be left behind..or that all people need to come here and be Wasps..just that we need to be one people.

And for Steve..ther would have to be some sort of cutoff date.

Thank you very much, this is exactly where I'm coming from.

I'd also point out that encouraging bilinguality on the part of BOTH cultures who share a common border is one good way to avoid the kind of division you cite.

culero (hates the term *-American)

[ASTAC]

Originally posted by culero
BTW - I agree about the ESOL thing, and if you think this discussion here is pissing me off, lemme tell you it's a milquetoast reaction compared to what I'd be doing in local community circles and politically with the school board if that crap was being proposed in my own local schools (it wouldn't be the first time I've been on local TV because of raising public hell about public stupidity).

My 7 year old grandson goes to school where Spanish as a second language is part of the local curriculum and I want it that way. But, that same school focuses on any kids who aren't fluent in English by devoting special resources to them to bring their English up to par while mainstreaming them as much as possible, rather than the reverse. This is IMO the way it should be.

culero

Not only that...In Florida (where about 90% of my family are public school teachers) They require teachers to get trained and certified for the ESOL program..and make them pay for the classes themselves.