Author Topic: Mexican Military on Standby in Response to Minutemen (Read 6015 times)

Gunslinger · « **Reply #120 on:** April 03, 2005, 05:44:04 PM »

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Originally posted by Steve
It's our problem, as far as illegals go, that induces them to come here.

so wouldnt that encourage us to solve OUR problem verses theirs? I'm just sayin that it would probably take a hell of a lot more work to get the mexican economy off the ground and their people out of poverty than it would to enforce the laws that we currently have.

ASTAC · « **Reply #121 on:** April 03, 2005, 05:45:04 PM »

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Thank you very much, this is exactly where I'm coming from.

I'd also point out that encouraging bilinguality on the part of BOTH cultures who share a common border is one good way to avoid the kind of division you cite.

culero (hates the term *-American)

If I had the time..I would learn Spanish and probrably French too (Since our Northen Neighbors have an entire subculture that is French)..if not for any other reason thean I wouldn't be the typical one language American imposing myself and language in another country.

Tumor · « **Reply #122 on:** April 03, 2005, 05:49:05 PM »

Where's all the U.S. citizens jumping through hoops trying to get the job's illegals do?

They're looking for a better way of life, we should be doing something to help.. which is exactly what culero is advocating.

Why? Because we can. We're going to pay higher prices for certain things whether or not we shut them off or welcome them with open arms. It's gonna happen, might as well take an optimistic approach.

culero · « **Reply #123 on:** April 03, 2005, 05:51:20 PM »

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Originally posted by ASTAC
Not only that...In Florida (where about 90% of my family are public school teachers) They require teachers to get trained and certified for the ESOL program..and make them pay for the classes themselves.

Yanno, it seems like every time I hear about something happening in Florida, California, or Massachutsetts I immediately reflect that I'm damn sure glad I live in Texas

culero

ASTAC · « **Reply #124 on:** April 03, 2005, 05:54:02 PM »

I am becoming increasingly embarrased to be from there..We used to be such a quiet state...now look at it..been ruined by politics....It's sad..luckily the part I'm from is not much part of the problem.

culero · « **Reply #125 on:** April 03, 2005, 05:57:20 PM »

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Originally posted by Tumor
Where's all the U.S. citizens jumping through hoops trying to get the job's illegals do?

Let's be fair - maybe US citizens would go for those jobs if they were paid for fairly, because employers were no longer allowed to make illegal employment arrangements.

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Originally posted by Tumor

They're looking for a better way of life, we should be doing something to help.. which is exactly what culero is advocating.

Why? Because we can.
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Actually, I disagree. I'm not a bleeding heart who wants to "help because we can". I'm a libertarian who wants everyone to be responsible for themselves as much as is possible.

What I am saying is that we should RESPECT them for wanting to WORK to EARN a better way of life, rather than despise them for exactly that.

And, that in addition to not tolerating foreigners breaking our laws, we should not tolerate CITIZENS breaking our laws.

All I want is a fair deal all the way across the table, period, for all involved. What pisses me off is people who can't see we are as guilty of contributing to the problem as they are.

culero

culero · « **Reply #126 on:** April 03, 2005, 05:59:46 PM »

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Originally posted by ASTAC
I am becoming increasingly embarrased to be from there..We used to be such a quiet state...now look at it..been ruined by politics....It's sad..luckily the part I'm from is not much part of the problem.

My mother in law lives in Fort Myers, and has always wished we'd relocate there.

The corporation I work for has a significant presence in the panhandle area, future opportunities for me may exist there.

What are those areas like, in this respect?

curiousalero

Steve · « **Reply #127 on:** April 03, 2005, 06:02:07 PM »

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The Mexican economy and government are no more weak and corrupt than those elements in most of the world, as a matter of fact outside of Europe and the rest of North America Mexico compares rather favorably.

Oh ya, except the other countries aren't neighboring the U.S. you for got that one little detail, conveniently.

Steve · « **Reply #128 on:** April 03, 2005, 06:03:58 PM »

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They're looking for a better way of life, we should be doing something to help.. which is exactly what culero is advocating.

This is so short sighted and wrong that I don't feel like expending the effort. Tumor, do me a favor? Pick up my share of the tab for what you are advocating.

Culero is not advocating what you suggest, btw.

ASTAC · « **Reply #129 on:** April 03, 2005, 06:07:50 PM »

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Originally posted by culero
My mother in law lives in Fort Myers, and has always wished we'd relocate there.

The corporation I work for has a significant presence in the panhandle area, future opportunities for me may exist there.

What are those areas like, in this respect?

curiousalero

Stay away from anything south of and includiing Orlando....Northeast/North Central/ and the Panhandle are the best places to live...quite..decent economy...Jacksonville is full of jobs....central and south florida..full of retirees and liberals

culero · « **Reply #130 on:** April 03, 2005, 06:11:25 PM »

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Originally posted by Steve
Oh ya, except the other countries aren't neighboring the U.S. you for got that one little detail, conveniently.

No, actually I didn't. Keep in mind where I live (it would be hard for me to forget where Mexico is).

My point stands, you're wrong to suggest the illegal immigration problem is not as much our fault as it is theirs.

culero

culero · « **Reply #131 on:** April 03, 2005, 06:22:36 PM »

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Originally posted by Steve
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Culero is not advocating what you suggest, btw.

But I am saying that we shouldn't refuse to consider helping if that is possibly the most cost-effective way of solving the problem (and in some respects, it just might be).

culero

Vulcan · « **Reply #132 on:** April 03, 2005, 06:29:04 PM »

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As an American..go anywhere else where it is the norm to have signs in both the Native language and English...you won't find it...Go anywhere and see if the public schools cater to your "special" needs as a non-official language speaker.

ESOL=English as a SecOnd Language....the most perposterous public school program I've ever heard of.

If they come here..come legally..and once you are here learn English or you are assed out.

Umm ESOL programs are designed to teach them.... english, as a second language, because their "first" language is - well whatever they speak from wherever. Or do you think that immigrants come from countries with no language at all?

But then again, not many people around the globe would class that language taught in US schools as "English" any more

ASTAC · « **Reply #133 on:** April 03, 2005, 06:37:59 PM »

ESOL exists becaus ealot of the parents don't bother to learn...putting their children at a big disadvantage..and also helping to keep them from assimilating to our "culture"..making the teachers pay out of pocket for the program is what I find most distasteful about it..I'm sure it is helpful to some kids

Tumor · « **Reply #134 on:** April 03, 2005, 06:54:09 PM »

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Originally posted by culero

Let's be fair - maybe US citizens would go for those jobs if they were paid for fairly, because employers were no longer allowed to make illegal employment arrangements.

I don't have a problem with that, I just don't see it... we're in too deep and it's our own fault. JMHO, no argument.

Actually, I disagree. I'm not a bleeding heart who wants to "help because we can". I'm a libertarian who wants everyone to be responsible for themselves as much as is possible.

I'm not a bleeding heart either, just don't see why we should be adamant about slamming the door on the same pursuits we were founded on when it really (at least I think) wouldn't hurt us in the first place.

What I am saying is that we should RESPECT them for wanting to WORK to EARN a better way of life, rather than despise them for exactly that.

Well.. we'll just have to agree to agree.

And, that in addition to not tolerating foreigners breaking our laws, we should not tolerate CITIZENS breaking our laws.

Funny how muny werks eh?

All I want is a fair deal all the way across the table, period, for all involved. What pisses me off is people who can't see we are as guilty of contributing to the problem as they are.

Stop spreading common sense all over the place ya freak.

culero