Originally posted by Lazerus
I actually thought of the same comparison two nights ago when culero started in on his racist/bigot attack based on the absurd premis that the cause of the problem in question laid mostly on the employers that were willing to break the law and hire the illegals, and that any thoughts of recrimination on the illegals was a sure sign of a deep seated hatred(racism) of Mexicans, or Latin Americans in general.
That is absolute BS, I've never said anything of the sort.
What I have said is that proposing that the only thing we should do about the problem is persecute illegal immigrants is a bigoted POV. I have never said we should allow them to enter the US illegally, only that they would not do so in such large numbers if we eliminated the illegal jobs they seek.
I invite you to remove your head from within your rectal orifice and read upthread, see for yourself.
Originally posted by Lazerus
The correlation between drug smugglers and resident buyers, and illegal immigrants and resident employers, is entirely relevant, especially as presented by culero and those that support his argument.
Actually, I agree its relevant, however your POV seems skewed, although given the depths from which it emanates (see again what I said about where your head is) that does make sense. Let's compare the illegal drug market to this problem.
Drug smugglers and drug suppliers sell their product to individual consumers (those who use the drugs).
Now, we have Farmer John Doe, or fake grass supplier/installer Nuke, who want to save costs so they employ significant numbers of illegal immigrants because they can exploit their needs by paying them less than proper value for their time, and avoid associated costs like FICA contributions, tax accounting, etc.
In this model, I give you that its Farmer Doe or fake grass magnate Nuke who is the supplier (they provide the jobs that draw the immigrants here) and that each illegal immigrant is an individual consumer of what the illegal suppliers supply.
Or are you hallucinating so madly from inhaling what you're inhaling (man, its gotta be tough being that bent over, too) that you imagine the illegal immigrants are somehow all tied together as cohorts in some gigantic conspiracy to provide services? Do you think theres a Wetback Union or something? How is it that you could compare them to the drug suppliers, that's idiotic.
Pull it out and breathe some fresh air, man.
Originally posted by Lazerus
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Culero, it could just as easily be said that you are bigoted/racist towards the people that hire those illegals because you blame them instead of the illegals.
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The root of the problem? The cause of it all??......We let it happen. The only way to stop it now is to cut the influx off as abruptly as we can. Cut off the supply of illegal employers as abruptly as we can. Cut off the illegal federal funding as abruptly as we can.
I blame all parties involved for their part in this, therefore again, you are full of BS.
My position is that those involved who are moneyed US citizens deliberately subverting our own laws for their own financial gain deserve AT LEAST as much scrutiny and enforcement focus as anyone else involved. I resent them more than the illegal immigrants because these people are citizens here, therefore should know better and care enough to not break the law.
If it weren't for that view problem you're experiencing (must muddy things quite a bit, I'd think) you'd have seen me post several times during this I'm all for having a secure border. I'm just advocating what IMO is the most cost effective way to get it - cut down on the flow by removing their motivation. It will then become much easier to stop the smaller numbers left after that.
culero (oh, and take a shower, that stuff's gonna be caked in yer hair)
