Mexican Military on Standby in Response to Minutemen

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Steve
People in powere in fear of liberals, etc.

PERK THE LIBERALS!



ack-ack

[Vulcan]

Originally posted by Rolex
Laws are fine. There are more than enough laws declaring robbery, burglary, murder and even illegal immigration, to be illegal. All those laws haven't reduced the prison population much. More than 20% of all prisoners in the world (we're talking the entire planet here...) are in US prisons.
 

Errmm, ever seen prisons in a 3rd world country? Usually theres not enough money for them, so more down to earth (or should I say in to earth) methods are used for criminals.

For example, you talked about China, they have a rather extreme way of dealing with even petty criminals.

The high level of imprisonment in the US merely reflects the high level of crime you need to acheive to make it to the death penalty.

[FiLtH]

They should find out where they are going and arrest the guy who wants to employ them cheap. Living up here on the northern border the only thing we see are french canadians who come in the summer, willing to spend money. So I dont have much input on the issue.

But I will say if citizens are willing to spend their own time and money doing this, they must be pissed off. If nothing else it may kick the government in the butt and wake up to it.

[Rolex]

Trying my best to stay out of them.

Fair point about 3rd-world prisons; however, the world is not separated into the US, with every place else being a 3rd-world country.

[BBQ_Bob]

You know how this is gonna end up, some some inbread redneck donutwood and his buddies are gonna be drinking Lone Star Beer (or Pabst) get drunk and shoot somebody trying to cross the border. Who knows they may even shoot an entire family in the name of protecting us from someone who is willing to do a job that nobody else wants.

[Steve]

You'd probably like that, just to for the sake of being right.

Maybe they'll bring attention to the fact that our borders are porous and millions of criminals cross into the US every year.

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by BBQ_Bob
You know how this is gonna end up, some some inbread redneck donutwood and his buddies are gonna be drinking Lone Star Beer (or Pabst) get drunk and shoot somebody trying to cross the border. Who knows they may even shoot an entire family in the name of protecting us from someone who is willing to do a job that nobody else wants.

You sure they won't be drinking Dos Equis?

[NUKE]

Originally posted by Steve
Maybe they'll bring attention to the fact that our borders are porous and millions of criminals cross into the US every year.

But Steve, they are not criminals, they just want to work....the real criminals are the people who hire them.  Just like drug dealers are not criminals ...the who people buy drugs are.

It's complete racism to want to seal  the border like Mexico seals it's southern border.

[DamnedRen]

Originally posted by lazs2
cuelero and I are right on this..  the REAL problem is the employer..  A national 5 day waiting period and background check on all employees regardless of race would do it... the highly overworked imigration officials would be 10 times more effeftive with one tenth the workload.   People who were illegals would be more obvious in an atmosphere of few illegals.  

Employers would need to be jailed.   period  even the rich ***** with a maid... even you hiring a landscaper.

If you arrest the employers whos gonna bring the food to the market? Then you will be without food in your local piggley wiggley. Next thing ya know people will be whinin about lack of food or food at much higher prices. Gas prices aint high enough for you Now ya want to raise the prices of everything else too? What are you a millionaire that you can throw money away? Im not:)

The politicians would win in this one two.  legal immigrants don't like the illegals any more than natural citizens... legals of mexican decent would vote for a politician who got rid of the illegals by punishing the fat white employer.

Forget legal or illegal! Open the borders if they're Mexican or Canadian let em come in and take the menial jobs. Prices will be cheaper. You guys need to get with it. Unions are OVER! That's a thing of the '60's and as dead as Aunt Bea!And, you can godown and get a nice retirement pad in Baja for next to nothing if you move when they open the borders.

but cuerlo... I don't agree on the multi lingual teaching thing.. My daughter went... I thought it was a good idea till I went to class to watch... everything was said in english and then in spanish..

everyone got half as much teaching in the same time period (except in language) that they would have under all english.

Did you ever think they learned twice as much? Perhaps the second language has much more value than you think!Ren

[DamnedRen]

Originally posted by Steve
At least partially.  Lax law enforcement is also to blame. Poor border security.  People in powere in fear of liberals, etc.

Lax law enforcement? Try Law enforcement out for themselves and retirement. How many police officer have you seen pull some dude over for doing 5 mph over the speed limit or rolling through a stop sign. Then when they finish they pull a u-turn across double yellow lines and 4 lanes of traffic. That's not against the law too? How about 2 police cars side by side at a stop light then racing (tires smoking and all) to the next light!MUAHAHAHAHAHA

And fear liberals? I doubt it! Ren

[DamnedRen]

Originally posted by Steve
You'd probably like that, just to for the sake of being right.

Maybe they'll bring attention to the fact that our borders are porous and millions of criminals cross into the US every year.

I think they go both ways across the border. Who's fault is that! In our area they are talking about privatising the State prison systems but the overpaid, underworked union holders might lose they're jobs. It's about time someone had to work for an honest days wages! Like those poor old Mexican's who come across the border to support their families at home! Ren

[ASTAC]

Originally posted by NUKE
But Steve, they are not criminals, they just want to work....the real criminals are the people who hire them.  Just like drug dealers are not criminals ...the who people buy drugs are.

It's complete racism to want to seal  the border like Mexico seals it's southern border.

How is it racism? I'm sure if Canadians were doing it we'd feel the same way about sealing our northern boarder...It's not an issue of sealing the boarder because they are mexicans..but because it's not a legal way to enter the country....even someone here legally can still work an "under the table" job for shady employers. So why not try to come here legally...that is all we ask.

[culero]

Originally posted by ASTAC
How is it racism? I'm sure if Canadians were doing it we'd feel the same way about sealing our northern boarder...It's not an issue of sealing the boarder because they are mexicans..but because it's not a legal way to enter the country....even someone here legally can still work an "under the table" job for shady employers. So why not try to come here legally...that is all we ask.

He's being ironic, because I've called him on stubbornly insisting that persecuting illegal immigrants is the way to fix this problem.

I note that he wants less illegal immigration but refuses to see that working on both sides of the problem is the most effective way to fix it (eliminate illegal jobs PLUS do a more effective job of controlling who enters the country, made easier by the fact there will be smaller numbers to work with).

I have to chalk this up to the fact he resents the people on one side of this (the illegal immigrants) for being who they are that he is deliberately ignoring the fact that people of his class (US citizens who are employers) are a major contributing factor to exactly what he's complaining about.

I'd point out that makes him smell like a bigot, but he apparently has become quite sensitive about having his tendencies discussed, so I won't do that

culero (can't ignore what's right in front of him)

[NUKE]

Originally posted by culero
He's being ironic,
 

It's called sarcasm.

[lazs2]

ren... yu are probly kidding but... cheap labor is not the way to keep farm prices down... there is no cheap way to produce food when you depend on labor.

look at tomatoe harvesting... they used to have 40 mexicans riding on a sorting rig... when minimum wage laws kicked in the farmers all cried that a tomatoe would cost $5

That didn't happen... the new sorters use lasers and have 2 mexicans on em instead of 40 and those guys get about double the minimum wage.

costs for labor will rise... the only way to get over that is to create harvesters that do tedious mindless work... that won't happen tho so long as illegal labor can be exploited.

Faced with jail time... the farmer will raise prices... John Deere will then see the demand and create a machine to replace another 40 illegals per 100 acres.

once there is less demand for illegal labor... less illegals will cross... those that do will be more eaisily caught with less strain on the law/border enforcement.

The illegals caugtht then will probly be real criminals not families looking for (nonexistent) work... they will be drug smugglers and the like.  The real mexicans that need to be policed.

lazs