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« Reply #300 on: April 07, 2005, 10:56:06 PM »
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(employers provide illegal jobs for financial gain, but that isn't mostly their fault. Check.)


Employers dont go to Mexico and recruit potential employees and invite them to cross the border illegally, they dont need to. They hire people who are already here illegally.

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(knows what he's talking about, you obviously don't)


I've worked with many Mexicans that do just that. (Work here just to send money back to Mexico)
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« Reply #301 on: April 08, 2005, 01:12:31 AM »
This link talks about illegal immigration and it's costs in unpaid taxes to the US Gov't.

http://www.wsjclassroomedition.com/archive/05apr/econ_underground.htm

That link also talks about an underground economy and how it is fueled by people immigrating here illegally. Note how the article doesnt say it is fueled by employers looking to hire illegals.

More on the costs of illegal immigration, not only to us but also the immigrants themselves. It also talks about the mindset of legal and illegal immigrants.

http://www.thebatt.com/news/2003/07/21/Opinion/The-Cost.Of.Illegal.Immigration-513348.shtml


When I googled for Illegal Immigrants cost to the US economy I got 1,570,000 hits. I read the first page of results, not one of those sources placed the majority of the blame on employers. The second link I provided also talks about all the US dollars being sent to Mexico each year from illegal immigrants.

No job losses for Americans because of illegal immigrants?

LOSSES TO WORKING AMERICANS/JOBS
11. According to a 2004 study by Harvard Professor George Borjas, American workers lose $190 billion annually in wage depression due to mass immigration; with an average reduction of $1,700 annually for native-born workers.

12. All of the decline in net employment over 2000-2002 period was borne by native-born workers. Native born men face the greatest job competition, according to 2003 research done by Dr. Andrew Sum and associates at the Center for Labor Studies at Northeastern University.

13. Sum and his colleagues also conclude that immigrants have taken virtually 100% of the new jobs created in recent years. This conclusion follows from the fact that more immigrants and fewer native-born Americans were employed in 2002 than two years earlier.


Source: http://www.carryingcapacity.org/checkup_datasheet.html

This is just the tip of the iceberg as far as evidence goes. Do some googling for yourself. Well, dont just google, read also. :D

I guess you can jump in the *moron bin* with Bustr and I Culero. :D


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Might want to edit that out of your post before you jump in the *moron bin* with us. :D

*edit* You might try doing some research to support your position, otherwise....it's the *moron bin* for you ;)
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« Reply #302 on: April 08, 2005, 01:33:53 AM »
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Originally posted by Elfie
It's not like I expect anyone to admit it, and if they did, my money says Immigration would be getting a call :D




Ahhh...so since I'm Hispanic, my family must have come to this country illegally.  Is that what you're pretty much trying to get at?

By the way, I have never said that I supported illegal immigration.  I am just against the these "movements" who's underlying motives are inspired by prejudice.  Show me anywhere in this thread where I state otherwise.


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« Reply #303 on: April 08, 2005, 01:40:20 AM »
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By the way, I have never said that I supported illegal immigration. I am just against the these "movements" who's underlying motives are inspired by prejudice. Show me anywhere in this thread where I state otherwise.


This *movement* isnt inspired by any sort of racial prejudice. It's based on economic fact.

And, notice the :D behind my statement? Take that statement  with a grain of salt ok? ;)
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« Reply #304 on: April 08, 2005, 02:13:57 AM »
We need more Mexi's. All the ghetto white boy's are to lazy.

Truth hurt's.

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« Reply #305 on: April 08, 2005, 02:46:11 AM »
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We need more Mexi's. All the ghetto white boy's are to lazy.

Truth hurt's.



Talk about stereotypes heh.
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« Reply #306 on: April 08, 2005, 03:03:42 AM »
Stereotype's=unbiased truth.


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« Reply #307 on: April 08, 2005, 07:42:01 AM »
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Employers dont go to Mexico and recruit potential employees and invite them to cross the border illegally, they dont need to. They hire people who are already here illegally.


Quite true, never said otherwise. It doesn't change the fact that its their willingness to hire illegally and their recruitment of illegals here that lures folks north. If we stop that, we'll be much better off.

Of course, that wouldn't satisfy the agenda to persecute little brown people, would it?

 
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I've worked with many Mexicans that do just that. (Work here just to send money back to Mexico)


Oh yes, that's quite common. However, if you spoke their language and associated with them on a social level, you'd find out they do this because they are aware their status here is transitory. They're just taking care of their families.

You'd also find out they'd eagerly pay their share of taxes, invest their earnings in real property here, and become involved in our communities in other positive ways if given the chance to do so. They aren't here to send money back to Mexico, they see things are better here and would eagerly embrace legal residence or US citizenship if they could. Then their money would stay here.

I don't have to ask you how well you know these people you've worked with, its obvious you don't know them well.

I could cite numerous examples of people I know who illustrate what I am saying. They represent the preponderance of Mexicans who are here. I know that because Mexicans (not Hispanic US citizens, or other nationalities, just so you understand I mean Mexican literally) make up probably 25% of the population where I've lived all my life at any one moment. I interact with them in various ways daily, most often using Spanish as the medium of communication. You might be amazed at what a gringo who speaks their language might hear from them (like why they are here, how they rate Mexico vs the US, what they aspire to, etc.)

Just one case in point: a colleague of mine at work is a US citizen, naturalized from Mexico. As a child, he was a gifted student. He and his family realized his potential could be better realized here than there. They did what they had to do to get him in school here by junior high. By the time he graduated high school, he had his citizenship, and a scholarship. He graduated from Stanford University, and is now gainfully employed here, a happy taxpayer. He's bought real property, happily pays his property taxes to support the school system he benefitted from. He's raising a fine family here, who are destined to further contribute to our community in positive ways.

Armando is, admittedly, an unusually successful example, but I give you my belief based on being immersed in the culture of the region that he is typical of Mexicans here in terms of aspirations. They want to be here, contribute here, assimilate, and be exactly what we want in good citizens. Your assertions to the contrary prove your ignorance, and are what prompts me to assume you are likely to be bigoted in your outlook toward them.

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« Reply #308 on: April 08, 2005, 08:10:34 AM »
We replaced balcony and stairway railings at a large apartment complex in Pompano Beach recently (Monday through Wednesday last).  It had been a while since I was in that neighborhood and I was amazed by the change.  The area is predominantly black and it is predominantly a drive through narcotics based local economy.  within this sea of illicit trade stands the subject apartment building now filled with nothing but Mexican and Central American immigrants. not a black face within sight which was odd.  what a change.  instead of the 24 hour a day smell of burning crippy we have the smells of mothers cooking meals, instead of ebonics laced profanity we have the laughter of children playing.  80 individual apartments in the complex with easily 60 doors wide open in the hispanic tradition, enjoying the easterly afternoon breeze.  The men are working somewhere.  towards the end of the day pickup trucks start to fill the parking lots, mostly construction trade work by the looks of the vehicles.  these folks are paying rent.  none of it section 8 subsidy I suppose.  they have displaced a dangerous criminal element thereby driving up the value of that building.  the added real estate value gave the owner the ability to restore/improve her property, this inturn provided work for my company and others working there.  all positives from my vantage point.  in time others of their kind will arrive and we may see a renaissance of that neighborhood.  I gladly welcome Mexican and Central American immigrants to my beloved Florida.  they are a positive addition to my community.  It reminds me of what occurred in other dangerous but now decent working class neighborhoods in Miami when the 1980 Mariel boatlift brought 100,000 Cubans over night.  it has ultimately been a very good thing for Miami and perhaps, the nation.

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« Reply #309 on: April 08, 2005, 08:54:34 AM »
I had a place in South Florida for about 5 years, Storch. I've set foot in all 50 states over my 50-some years, but I will never forget the sense of community and pure joy I had when doing business with the Central American and Cuban immigrants in South Florida.

Hard working, industrious, entrepreneurial, generous, talented and/or highly skilled and straight forward business men and women. I know this will sound discriminatory, but based on my experiences, if I had a choice of doing business based on heritage, I'd choose the business owned by a Hispanic, Latin American or Cuban immigrant every time.

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« Reply #310 on: April 08, 2005, 08:58:22 AM »
Seems that some of you would solve the problem in the most difficult and dangerous way possible instead of simply shutting down the employers who are, in my opinion, the cause of the problem and the biggest criminals.   The employers are the ones that are costing each and every one of us.   They are also competing unfairly with the employers who play by the rules.

I also think that becoming a citizen should involve learning about the country and learning it's language.  I also think that mexicans make very good citizens.



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« Reply #311 on: April 08, 2005, 09:00:02 AM »
rolex... based on my experiance I would agree with you.   I believe it has to do with being appreciative and having a sense of family and community.  

They also make good girlfriends.

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« Reply #312 on: April 08, 2005, 09:11:41 AM »
I second that lazs. That is what America is. People seem to have forgotten that most legal immigrants come to America with nothing. They build lives, work hard from the bottom usually and start business.

They probably have better grounded family ethics and work ethics. I'm tired of 3rd generation white trailer trash redneck mentality losers looking down their noses at hard-working immigrants and snearing words like 'beaners' to make up for their small noodlees.

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« Reply #313 on: April 08, 2005, 09:22:57 AM »
well... I do know hard working white guys with good ethics and family values... Still..

I believe that a lot of white men and women are (compritively) spoiled..  Some of this is good... it is perhaps (comparitively) spoiled to never go hungry in your life or do without medical care but... that is a good thing.  

Once the immediate needs are met tho... A lot of Americans have too much time and money on their hands... American women orid them to spend even more.

Many of the financial get rich quick schemes and scams that many of us called "makeing a living" are thin air and involve no real production or pride of work...  

I dunno... lot's of things but we need constant infusion of new blood toi stay vibrant.... we don't need to have a country send us the worst of it's criminal element.   We don't need illegals of any kind.

we prosecute the employers, control what is left of criminal border crossers and then... if we need more labor we issue more visas or open up more citizenship.

we all, including the second generation Americans from mexico.. we all are reaping the rewards of our parents hard work...  they were promised that if they were citizens their children would be legal and free Americans.

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« Reply #314 on: April 08, 2005, 10:52:33 AM »
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I'm tired of 3rd generation white trailer trash redneck mentality losers looking down their noses at hard-working immigrants and snearing words like 'beaners' to make up for their small noodlees.


I'm tired of American citizens being  called racists and bigots for simply wanting our imigrations laws enforced.

I was called: grand wizard Nuke, told that I wear a white robe, burn crosses, that I suck at the game, that I never fly...just type in the tower, that I also sucked in AW and was a racist and a bigot by AKAK on channel 200 in the game the other day for about 40 minutes straight. I did not initiate the conversation, yet was baraged with this. Then, I decided to see how AKAK reacted to being called names like this, so I asked him if he was a "beaner", then he says "thanks for the screenshot" ( on private) and that he was sending  it to HTC. Go figure.

And culero is still tring to make it about racism by saying we want to "persecute" "little brown people" Makes me sick that He and AKAK are trying to make it about racism, then THEY have the nerve to call peple bigots? They are the only ones bringing up race and trying to label people with names.

I have nothing against any person of any race who comes to America legally.

I have said all along that I just want our laws enforced. I want illegals deported as they are found and I do not want them to receive any benifits from US taxpayers. Also, we need to punish people who employ them.

As it is, out Government is just as much or more to blame than the people who hire them. How can you say  you would punish employers without punishing the government who allows them to recieve taxpayer services and benifits?

Still, the fact is that illegal immigrants are breaking the law and need to be deported as they are found. I don't see what's wrong with that approach.
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