Kill stealing

[JB82]

I propose that when you do enough damage to a enemy plane that he is visibly on fire or missing a wing and a countrymen insist on fireing at your kill that your countrymen be treated as a killshooter.

[Rino]

I generally pull off a damaged enemy if I see damage like
that, but I've also seen zekes fly for over a minute burning like
a torch firing all over the place.  So I'm thinking, no killshooter...
next time just finish it.

[Dead Man Flying]

I propose that you laugh at him for being so desperate for a kill that he has to get it this way.  Then switch sides and hunt him down if it bothers you so much.

-- Todd/Leviathn

[ALF]

It can get anoying if you let it.  Heres my take.

1)On fire does not mean out of combat in all cases.  If the enemy is nowhere near anyone else and poses no danger, then killing him is uncalled for, but in a furball, the flamer may have a minute or two in which he is still a threat...so shoot him for gods sakes!

2) Missing part of a wing may not mean dead.  If your saddled up on him sure...but Ive landed pleanty of damaged birds.

3) Missing a whole wing, or flopping helplessly in a flat spin is dead.

4) Engine dead, plane dead, inless again, in a big furball and still a threat.

5) Its not stealing when your in combat manuevers with an enemy unless you are directly on their six at 200 yards.  I much prefer you help me kill the enemy plane 10 times, than be 'polite' one time when it all looks good from above, but Im running low on E and about to fall out of the manuevers and get killed.

Whenever I do leathal damage to a plane in a furball, I try and call out 'spit dead' or 'La7 going down'  This gives the gentle reminder to all would be kill stealers and does something much better, it lets everyone else know they dont have worry about that particular plane.  One thing that happens to us all is losing sight of one of 3 enemy planes, and spending valuable seconds making sure he isnt in your blind spot.  Those that intensionally steal kills are either not informed or not part of the overal community.  The uninformed will catch on pretty quick....the jerk will, whether they know it or not, lose out much more in the long run.  There are several people I dont ever help or warn...

viva la KARMA!

[JB35]

I also love the whole on the NMY 6 while your fellow countryman is behind you shooting over your shoulder

[Kegger26]

Originally posted by JB82
I propose that when you do enough damage to a enemy plane that he is visibly on fire or missing a wing and a countrymen insist on fireing at your kill that your countrymen be treated as a killshooter.

Get over it man. Next time just make sure you shoot him untill he goes boom. Two threads on this sissyass crying is just getting lame.

[Joker312]

In the past I have seen a few planes burning badly that continue flying for enough time to down another friendly or 2. A few days ago I lit a guy up and as he passed off my right the flames went out and he continued on his way.

Bottom line is if it still flys put more rounds into it.

Just my $.02.

[Stone]

Originally posted by ALF

Whenever I do leathal damage to a plane in a furball, I try and call out 'spit dead' or 'La7 going down'  This gives the gentle reminder to all would be kill stealers and does something much better, it lets everyone else know they dont have worry about that particular plane.

Don't you just love it when they shout "Spit dead, dont you dear shoot at it" and 10 seconds later that "dead spit" is on your 6 fireing it guns at you.

Happend to me more than once, and yes, no 6 call from the guy who was so worried off kill stealers.

[DREDIOCK]

Didnt you already start a thread somewhere else on this?

When the plane goes "Poof" or "splat"

thats when he's dead.
A flaming plane isnt as good as dead by a longshot.
I've even managed to land flaming planes.

A plane with part of his wing missing isnt dead either.
I've managed to land those too.

Now an entire wing, or the entire tail is another story.

[Don]

>>4) Engine dead, plane dead, inless again, in a big furball and still a threat.<<

I don't agree with this at all, it kinda fits with claiming a kill befire it is quite done. I have experienced this first hand:
one night about a year and a half ago, Shane was being chased by a conga line of Rooks. As I approached them low he dives at me; he is smoking and rooks are hard on him; one rook calls out "the spit is dead" so, I begin a climb for alt; next thing I know Shane shoots me in the face as he is diving to certain death. I say wtf! to the Rook who claimed the kill; Shane comes on CH1 and gets a good laugh

The MA has become filled with kill mongers and score potatos who will try anything, to include stealing kills, claiming kills, and complaining about both. In the MA you hafta pick your target, and work to kill it; unfortunately you have to use SA for nme and countrymen as well same as it ever was.

[Don]

By way of update, I'm posting to get something off my chest; it's an aspect of the game which is uncalled for and unnecessary but, there are way too many who do it.

I'm on the 6 of an nme spit this past Friday night, am gaining from 400 yds to within 200 yds, and plinking the guy. I worked him to this position where he has no options and will eventually die.
In this situation, it is not up to me to watch my 6 for friendly a/c but, it happened that I needed to ;(
This twit in an F4U C dives down from outerspace and starts shooting over my shoulder at my prey, he isn't getting any hits, I am. He climbs up and dives down directly in front of me as I am shooting; too late for me, I take hits meant for my prey and rupture my gas tank; I leak gas and hafta break off and head back to base; which is under attack and the twit who flew in front of me to steal the kill, could have made his dweeby arse useful by defending our base.
I realize everyone is a paying customer in this game but, surely it's got to be important to some of these twits to have some honor, pride and some idea of fairplay; hell I didnt even get an apology from the ass.
You see it's this kind of thing that makes for bad feelings between participants and members of the community. I know the kind of things I'd like to see among us can't be legislated so, I'm gonna handle this in my own way, unfortunately it won't have any positive effects for the sense of community this game ought to have.

[sullie363]

I used to have a policy of letting burning aircraft go.  That all changed when one turned around and put some bullets into me.  New policy is to only let planes go which are totally uncontrollable, like missing an entire wign or tail section.

[TequilaChaser]

Originally posted by Don
By way of update, I'm posting to get something off my chest; it's an aspect of the game which is uncalled for and unnecessary but, there are way too many who do it.

This twit in an F4U C dives down from outerspace and starts shooting over my shoulder at my prey, he isn't getting any hits, I am. He climbs up and dives down directly in front of me as I am shooting; too late for me, I take hits meant for my prey and rupture my gas tank;

I realize everyone is a paying customer in this game but, surely it's got to be important to some of these twits to have some honor, pride and some idea of fairplay; hell I didnt even get an apology from the ass.
You see it's this kind of thing that makes for bad feelings between participants and members of the community. I know the kind of things I'd like to see among us can't be legislated so, I'm gonna handle this in my own way, unfortunately it won't have any positive effects for the sense of community this game ought to have.

I have tryed to at least tell the guy, if I am faster or gaining and he isn't, that I am below him, passing on his left or his right etc...so I don't pop out infront  suddenly and he not know I was there. Some just do not have the courtesy to do such a thing though Strider.   and as you said there is alot who simply want the kill regardless of the after effect of it all, no respect  for there countryman, is  a first to the flag wins type of game to alot of the newer players.  gameplay changes as with the changing of the leaves..........( or changing of the guard...that would of worked too )



TC

[Don]

TC, I know of you and who you are, we were adversaries back in the AW days, things weren't this way but, they are now. Of course we had our share of twits hehe, but we had ways of handling them throughout all of the countries, as a community. Now all I feel I can do is complain and take matters into my own hands; and I will.

[Lye-El]

Originally posted by JB82
I propose that when you do enough damage to a enemy plane that he is visibly on fire or missing a wing and a countrymen insist on fireing at your kill that your countrymen be treated as a killshooter.

I was at V55 or V199 last night. And somebody lit up a low bomber. I think it was one of the JB's that did it. I didn't fire. (was in an ack) afraid somebody would accuse me of kill stealing. I kept thinking his wing would come off any second. It did. Just a second after he released his bombs. He took out the VH. I won't wait the next time.