Originally posted by Seagoon Actually, I'm not advocating that Muslims die to find Christ. Quite the reverse, I'm advocating that Christians die to save Muslims. If I die in the process of telling the Good News, so be it. " For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will save it." (Luke 9:24)
But you believe right off they are living in sin. This is a fundamental flaw that I cannont agree with. Just because a man does not 'know christ' in the way you would have does not mean said man does not have a good heart that desires to be without sin.. IMO somewhere along the line the love of jesus was tainted with the salesmanship of man..
Obviously not all of them. Many are nominals, just as most Christians are nominals, some are liberals, some are Sufis, etc. But all theologically conservative Sunnis and Shias are committed to the idea that Islam must eventually be the worldwide religion. Several Arabic Governments, such as that of Saudi Arabia, have officially endorsed that idea and spend literally billions promoting Islam worldwide both by providing arms, Islamic education centers, etc. Oh and the literature they print says we gotta submit or errr... "go." That fact is undeniable.
Replace Islam with christianity in this last paragraph and tell me it still does not hold true. Of course Islam has it's share of fanatics, but you have to agree so does christianity.. I don't see a difference.. I only see you on one side of the fence preaching your cause describing people on the other side of the fence preaching theirs.. We are all children of god..
Yes, the Roman Catholic Church worked with the magistrate to do so from roughly the 10th century through the 17th. I am not a Roman Catholic, I find this practice ahorrent, and a sad consequence of the unbiblical co-opting of the church under Constantine and Caesaropapism. We had a Reformation back in the 16th century to redress practices like that.
What is this? A description of christian fanatics?? Much like the fanatics of Islam you've describe?
As Christians? Are we a "Christian society" wouldn't you go balistic if I started claiming that? Is the West less violent? In terms of Crime, no. In fact one of their claims to the superiority of Islam is our widespread drug addiction etc.
I would and do consider the US a christain society. I don't get balistic very often my friend.
As you have stated here, we as christians have a higher crime rate. With this in mind would you concede that perhaps in some instances Islam could be a good thing?
Jesus never actually said love your brother (Grk: adelphos) he summarized the two tables of the law with the words " 'You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind,' and 'your neighbor as yourself.' " And then illustrated the idea of loving your neighbor with the parable of the good Samaritan. IF you really want to know what I sincerely believe about this and show me where I'm wrong, here is what I've publically stated: The Good Samaritan
Symatics? Are you attempting to say that Jesus did not preach love for one another?
Love was the primus of the Jesus I understand..
Does violence always involve hate? Has every Christian scholar who has written about Just War theory been wrong? Were the Allies wrong to use violence in defending themselves against the Germans and Japanese and then in liberating Europe and conquering those nations? Was Jesus wrong to praise the faith of a soldier? Should John the Baptist have told the Soldiers who asked him what to do? Stop being soldiers immediately!
WW2 was not fought for religous reasons. You have advocated the evangelizing(sp) of the Islam population.. That is religous based..
Perhaps you could show me of a modern example of violence without hate.. Of course there are different levels of hate..
The Bible teaches that men are born fallen, born in iniquity as David put it, and that the reason we sin is because we are sinners. That is why Christ stressed the importance of being gennethe annothen "born again" or "regenerated" to Nicodemus in John 3 saying "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."
This would have to be particular to your version of born again. Perhaps born again is simply having love for your fellow man in your heart and the disire to do the right thing..
I cannot believe that throughout time all the people that have died without reading the bible would be dammed forever to hellfire/brimeston by a loving god..
Seagoon, I notice a picture of a child as your avitar.. Is that your son?? If so, if one day your son grows to disown you as his father, could you damn him to death because of such a thing for eternity? Do you consider yourself a loving father?
Anywho Dude as a Christian, I don't make car bombs, or teach others to make them, I don't preach politics from the pulpit, just humbly exposit the teaching of scripture, I counsel, I try to guard my flock, and be spent loving and serving them and my family and most of all my savior. On my offtime I fly AcesHigh, hunt during the season, smoke cigars when I can afford them, and read voraciously and write whenever I can. Fomenting Terrorism is not big on my agenda. That in a nutshell really is my life.
I hear you.. You sound like a good soul. I would argue that roughly 90% of the Islam population carry on life much the same way.
I just cannot understand how a person can take man made writing/teachings and consider them the only possible truth. The only thing certain is nothing is certain..
Because you know the name of your god, does not mean that god could not be another's god of a different name.. Does the bible not state that the christian god has many names?? Is there only one true name given for the christian god?
