Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
They have their religion and like us would fight in order to keep it..
DudeDVant, They Fight to promote it and pass draconian laws to protect its hegemony, we on the other hand have no "state religion" in the USA and have passed laws to make sure that cannot happen. Its a very different world over there, I don't sense you'd like it much, sure it is your female relations wouldn't.
If you had the promise that every single person of the Islam faith would find Christ but with a cost, how many islamic lives would that be worth??
Actually, I'm not advocating that Muslims die to find Christ. Quite the reverse, I'm advocating that Christians die to save Muslims. If I die in the process of telling the Good News, so be it.
" For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will save it." (Luke 9:24)You speak of these people following the islam religion very broadly.. Do you feel they all want to bomb us or in the least kill us least we convert to their religion??
Obviously not all of them. Many are nominals, just as most Christians are nominals, some are liberals, some are Sufis, etc. But all theologically conservative Sunnis and Shias are committed to the idea that Islam must eventually be the worldwide religion. Several Arabic Governments, such as that of Saudi Arabia, have officially endorsed that idea and spend literally billions promoting Islam worldwide both by providing arms, Islamic education centers, etc. Oh and the literature they print says we gotta submit or errr... "go." That fact is undeniable.
From your own words you do not preach death or convert. But would you not agree that many christians in the past have preached and followed through this very idea??
Yes, the Roman Catholic Church worked with the magistrate to do so from roughly the 10th century through the 17th. I am not a Roman Catholic, I find this practice ahorrent, and a sad consequence of the unbiblical co-opting of the church under Constantine and Caesaropapism. We had a Reformation back in the 16th century to redress practices like that.
Much like christainity is probably responsible for much or our landscape? Would you disagree??
Well our society still clings to the husk of Christian ethics etc. but with the widespread loss of faith in the Bible we are becoming more secular with every year. Islamic society is far more culturally wed to Islam. For instance, when Muslim Women come here they keep their Hijab on, when our women go there, they must put a hijab on, when Sharia is implemented as it is being in Northern Nigeria, Islamic customs become compulsory. Imagine Dude being forced to wear a Yarmulke or a Turban even though you were neither Jewish nor Arabic.
Would you say that as christians, we are a less violent society??
As Christians? Are we a "Christian society" wouldn't you go balistic if I started claiming that? Is the West less violent? In terms of Crime, no. In fact one of their claims to the superiority of Islam is our widespread drug addiction etc.
My questions avoided:
What qualifiers did jesus put with the statement, love your brother???
Jesus never actually said love your
brother (Grk:
adelphos) he summarized the two tables of the law with the words " 'You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind,' and 'your neighbor as yourself.' " And then illustrated the idea of loving your neighbor with the parable of the good Samaritan. IF you really want to know what I sincerely believe about this and show me where I'm wrong, here is what I've publically stated:
The Good Samaritan What does hate bring?
What does violence bring?
How, from a christian standpoint, can anything be made better with the use of either of these two realities?
Does violence always involve hate? Has every Christian scholar who has written about Just War theory been wrong? Were the Allies wrong to use violence in defending themselves against the Germans and Japanese and then in liberating Europe and conquering those nations? Was Jesus wrong to praise the faith of a soldier? Should John the Baptist have told the Soldiers who asked him what to do? Stop being soldiers immediately!
What makes you so certain that christianity is the only way to find one's god??
Because that is what Christ taught in the Bible, and I believe the Bible to be the word of God. I know you don't and I can't myself make you do so.
Why does it seem that christians have their god's message pointed right at the islam religion more than other religions of the world?? There are many kinds..
Statistically, Christian missions are far more active outside the 10/40 window (the Islamic world) than inside it. There are for instance, innordinantly more Christian missionaries in South America than in the Nations under Islam. Sharia law makes that inevitable.
Are the majority of people in the world christians?? Because they are not, does that mean your God of love will damn them all??
The Bible teaches that men are born fallen, born in iniquity as David put it, and that the reason we sin is because we are sinners. That is why Christ stressed the importance of being
gennethe annothen "born again" or "regenerated" to Nicodemus in John 3 saying
"Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."We will either believe and be saved or remain as Jesus said, condemned, "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already" (John 3:18) I long ago accepted that that was the state I was in, and that if I was to be saved I needed to have my sins forgiven and atoned for, and a righteousness I could never earn for myself imputed to me. And since that time, my entire life has been dramatically different.
I don't know who or even how many are going to heaven, I do know it will be a number impossible to count from every tribe and tongue and people and nation. But that as Christ said, "narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it." and regarding heaven "many are called, but few are chosen."
Anywho Dude as a Christian, I don't make car bombs, or teach others to make them, I don't preach politics from the pulpit, just humbly exposit the teaching of scripture, I counsel, I try to guard my flock, and be spent loving and serving them and my family and most of all my savior. On my offtime I fly AcesHigh, hunt during the season, smoke cigars when I can afford them, and read voraciously and write whenever I can. Fomenting Terrorism is not big on my agenda. That in a nutshell really is my life.
- SEAGOON
