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Offline IK3

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TOD predictions...
« on: May 13, 2005, 08:42:53 PM »
If TOD is released...

Is it gonna replace MA as most played arena?

or

Is it gonna end up barren like CT?


Discuss

Offline RTSigma

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« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2005, 09:10:53 PM »
If TOD has apparent awards that definitely outweigh the MA, then it'll be successfull.

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Re: TOD predictions...
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2005, 11:18:30 PM »
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If TOD is released...

Is it gonna replace MA as most played arena?

or

Is it gonna end up barren like CT?


Discuss


For the very short time -- may be. People will try it out, so it will be crowded for a week or so.

In a long run -- no, it won't. Structured environment is boring for those people, who look for instant action.

Still TOD do not need so many people. If there will have 40-80 people playing there at a regular base, it will be a great experience.

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« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2005, 11:46:39 PM »
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Is it gonna replace MA as most played arena?


Never in a million years.

Not for me. Not ever.
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« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2005, 12:41:38 AM »
i sure hope it does, if its half as historical as it sounds ill fire up my account again.

Offline Heretic

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« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2005, 12:42:19 AM »
I'll try out TOD but will remain a MA player for the most part.   I will have to see what it is all about.       Obviously it is going to require alot of research to see what it is all about.

For the most part, the better sticks will reign in TOD.  The guys like me who are mediocre will struggle.   Struggling will lead to quitting TOD or keep struggling.       Will have to see when it is released.   It may be the best thing since sliced bread or it may be a dormant arena.

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« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2005, 01:12:51 AM »
I hope it is a great success with all the effort that HTC is putting into it.

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« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2005, 01:48:10 AM »
Overall, peeking into what Pyro hinted us so far, it seems it would require certain discipline and devotion to team play, so I think indeed in some parts, the general quality of the pilots would be better than the MA.

 Also, structured environment requires a certain 'role-playing' mentality. So it definately won't be as popular as the MA - at least, in terms of player numbers.

 However, I don't think it would mean the player quality is different, or one arena would be more fun than the other. If ToD is everything we expect it to be, I think there will be a lot of people who fly in both arenas at a given time. Run 2~3 intense missions in the ToD, and then come to the MA for non-stop action fun.. and etc.

 Like Fariz said,

 If there's constantly 50~80 people online in the ToD, that's enough to offer a very convincing and fun fight. The rest of the gaps can be filled by AIs and some imagination :)

 Imagine a 12~20 man USAAF squadron, flying with 20~30 bombers in escort duties, meeting 10~15 Luftwaffe fighters..

 The fights won't be "to the death" as in the MA. A lot of people will fly to survive.. but they also have duties and missions to fulfill, so they can't just run away at first sight of bad odds. The leaders of each of the 4~5 man rottes or wings would be hard pressed to keep track of where their wingmen are, give orders... and all in all, large numbers of people will collide in a single area in a much more orderly fashion than the MA furball.

 The fight won't be non-stop as in the MA, but even 20~30 minutes of such missions can provide deep immersion and great satisfaction. About 30~40 people with AI support can bring that about.

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« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2005, 02:10:29 AM »
I'm hoping what Kweassa just described is true.

Just flying a snapshot the other night was far more satisfying then the MA hamster wheel.  Something about a flight of the same birds out on a mission that sucks me right in, whether it be Spits like on the first run or the 38Gs we had for our second run.  Out over the Channel, waiting for the high 109s and 190s and then the brawl when they finally arrived.

Great fun and worth the flying time to let the immersion build.

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« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2005, 06:07:00 AM »
I agree with Fariz. The hoopla will last about a week. Then it will be back to the MA. The lack of teamwork I saw, and the "I fly for me, not for you" attitude that was so prevalent in my gameplay days provides an insight into how it will be.

Get ready to see bucketloads of posts on here from TnB MA diehards along the lines of "our playing style is better than yours" and how the "real men" are in the MA, while TOD is for the pink underwear crowd.

My question is - why would HTC go to such lengths to build TOD, if only around 50 guys are going to use it?

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« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2005, 06:31:29 AM »
This is what I'm worried about, some of the 'arm-chair generals' in the MA currently are the biggest, most whine filled, pathetic, vulgar, disrespectful people we have in the game right now.

If ToD was designed to force me to listen to them, I would be gone in less than a breath.

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« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2005, 07:24:12 AM »
Some of you just can't see the world outside of your small goldfish bowl!   ;)

 Even with what little has been told to us about TOD by HTC I'm still perplexed as to why some still put this into the context that this being aimed at the MA player type or that it will be like the CT where hardly anyone is to be found.

 I'll be the first to say that HTC has has fallen WAY behind on keeping people informed as to what TOD is.  That's evident from the wild bellybutton guesses and assumptions that always sprout in these topics about TOD over the past TWO years.
 
 Still...  Enough has been said about it for people to have a firm idea of what it is and who it would appeal to.

 Curious as to see how many people this TOD would appeal to? Go to hyperlobby and check out the numbers playing IL2.
 There are more playing that game than AH on it's best night. Look at how many love the Dynamix ACES series, EAW, Janes WWII Fighters etc.  Add in those who pay to play WWIIO for it's "historical" flavour and you may begin to see that the audience for TOD is much larger than that for the  MA by far.

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« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2005, 07:35:10 AM »
westy - interesting post! :aok I hope you're right.

I have tried IL2 - about 3 years ago I think. The flight model and weather effects were interesting - to say the least! What is this "hyperlobby" business? When I was there, it was just a beta. As for numbers, I thought any IL2 arena had a 32 player limit. (?)

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« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2005, 07:46:21 AM »
Hey Beetle. I hope it's a success too.

 As for hyperlobby? there's 395 on right now in different hosts playing IL2: Pacific Fighters and/or Forgotten Battles.  A lot of whom used to play AH.

http://hyperfighter.sk/

 And IL2 now has the ability for 128 player hosts.  Even if it was just 32 or 64 it's still not MA farcical/fantasy gameplay and that is what is so appealing about it.  

As for FM and other features?  A lot of people seem to prefer the immersion, eyecandy and quasi-historical settings over FM and gunnery fidelity. Still. It's at least in the ballpark and it's not as bad as the arcade like FA/AW FM and gunnery models.

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Re: TOD predictions...
« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2005, 08:24:02 AM »
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Originally posted by IK3
If TOD is released...

Is it gonna replace MA as most played arena?

or

Is it gonna end up barren like CT?


Discuss


It doesn't have to be one or the other.

HTC is hoping to add to the custumer base not divide the current one.

Of course that won't deter the BBS reactionaries.
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