Tough Gun Laws

[Raider179]

With all the noise about gun laws I looked up and saw this....Thought it might bring out some paranoia or applause lol have a good day gents

http://www.thebrunswicknews.com/front/284962412208815.php

Felons charged with possessing weapons will be tried where the laws are the toughest, whether it be local, state or federal court.

It is a federal crime for a gun to be in the possession of a convicted felon, drug dealer, drug user or addict, illegal alien or a person convicted of domestic violence, under indictment or committing a federal crime of violence.

Illegal possession of a gun can result in a life sentence without chance of parole.

Toad is this one of the programs we discussed before?

[beet1e]

How silly to have a law like this. Don't they know that more guns = less crime?

[VOR]

Good idea IMO.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by beet1e
How silly to have a law like this. Don't they know that more guns = less crime?

  Naw, best way to live in a lower crime rate is to move someplace where the viewing of masonary walls is the biggest excitement.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Those laws are part of the "Exile" program, specifically intended to target felons who use guns, and remove them from society permanently. This program was developed with help from the NRA by the justice department, and has been constantly and devoutly supported by the NRA and gun owners.

However, the anti gun crowd, despite seeing excellent results in areas where the program was used, cried about the "harsh and excessive sentences" that "make gun criminals even more violent", and successfully got it rescinded in several areas.

[lazs2]

beetle.. this is a better kind of gun control... it keeps the guns out of the hands of the felonious criminals... and...

women beaters..

or puts em in jail.

I do dissagree that simply possesing one is a bad thing... I would rather that the conviction and higher sentance come from the person missusing the firearm and then when he got out in 20 or 30 years hand him his gun back.

I'm sure you would agree that the "domestic viloence" part of the law is problomatic and subject to error.

Let's take it a step further... studies have shown that women beaters are more suceptible to road rage.   It would seem that taking away the drivers licence of those convicted of domestic violence would be a good thing?

lazs

[GtoRA2]

Those are the only gun laws that work.


Why? Well I know this goes way over most liberals heads, but they work because the punish the people doing the crimes. Instead of targeting law abiding people that never brake the law.


Guess that is a hard concept for anti gun girly men to grasp.


I see beater er I mean beatle is back to his old dip**** self too.

[beet1e]

Originally posted by lazs2
beetle.. this is a better kind of gun control... it keeps the guns out of the hands of the felonious criminals...  

Oh what, by controlling who can/cannot get a gun instead of making them available to... *everyone*? Well that's a good first step. The next step will be to identify the nascent criminals, and deprive them of guns before they commit a crime. But then, who's to know who might turn to crime? The law needs to be extended so that no-one can get a gun - except law enforcement of course - then it will be safe. I think this approach is worthy of being given a fair trial. Oh wait, it's what we have here in Europe. Never mind...

[Gunslinger]

it sounds like this is the law that was used to royally screw a security guard in Maine.

This law was passed with no granfather clause of any kind in Maine.  The security guard in question was an outstanding citizen of the community and recently recognized by the states gov.

One day a few cops that he knew knocked on his door and had to take his guns and his carry permits.  Seems the man had a midemenor back iin 1967 or so.

The misdemenor in qluestion was a bar fight.  The security guard had just returned from Vietnam and was spit on by some hippies.  He didn't like it so a fight ensued.  He went to court...was all taken care of.

30+ years later he no longer has the right to own or carry a fire arm.

I'll look for the actual story in a bit.

[john9001]

your life is in danger, what to do, call 911 and wait 10-20-30 min or grab your 38?

[GtoRA2]

Yeah I am pretty sure someone like beatle could not buy a gun in the US if he were a resident.

Seems any domestic abuse, even mis demeaner or a restraining order with no charges filed will prevent you from buying a gun or owning a gun, I think thats part of the federal checking system, not sure it has to do with the above laws.

[Raider179]

Originally posted by lazs2

I do dissagree that simply possesing one is a bad thing... I would rather that the conviction and higher sentance come from the person missusing the firearm and then when he got out in 20 or 30 years hand him his gun back.

I'm sure you would agree that the "domestic viloence" part of the law is problomatic and subject to error.

Let's take it a step further... studies have shown that women beaters are more suceptible to road rage.   It would seem that taking away the drivers licence of those convicted of domestic violence would be a good thing?

lazs

Seems to me if you break the law seriously enough then yes you should lose certain rights, especially the right to own a fire-arm.

Domestic violence is exactly the kind of case where guns should be seized. How many murders from guns occur where the "signifigant other" has domestic violence charge on them, and another factor you can't count is how many did it save?

You need a car to go to work, store, etc. You don't need a fire-arm to do this things.

[Raider179]

Originally posted by GtoRA2
Instead of targeting law abiding people that never brake the law.
 

Explain how a law-abiding citizen loses his gun rights please? That statement is a contradiction in itself, because if you are law-abiding you won't lose your gun. It's only after you commit offenses that warrant loss of your rights.

[Raider179]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
it sounds like this is the law that was used to royally screw a security guard in Maine.

This law was passed with no granfather clause of any kind in Maine.  The security guard in question was an outstanding citizen of the community and recently recognized by the states gov.

One day a few cops that he knew knocked on his door and had to take his guns and his carry permits.  Seems the man had a midemenor back iin 1967 or so.

The misdemenor in qluestion was a bar fight.  The security guard had just returned from Vietnam and was spit on by some hippies.  He didn't like it so a fight ensued.  He went to court...was all taken care of.

30+ years later he no longer has the right to own or carry a fire arm.

I'll look for the actual story in a bit.

This is over the top. Misdemeanors should not be included.

[Raider179]

Originally posted by GtoRA2
Yeah I am pretty sure someone like beatle could not buy a gun in the US if he were a resident.

Seems any domestic abuse, even mis demeaner or a restraining order with no charges filed will prevent you from buying a gun or owning a gun, I think thats part of the federal checking system, not sure it has to do with the above laws.

Well if you can't keep your hands off your wife or girlfriend chances are pretty good you aren't too stable. No problems with domestic violence people losing their rights. Misdemeanor besides DV  or restraining orders without a hearing I would agree is over the top.