Author Topic: Tough Gun Laws (Read 1387 times)

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #45 on:** May 26, 2005, 04:59:38 PM »

Right so you want more paperwork.

You want a ten day waiting period even though I already own 9 firearms. Because the 9 I already own I wouldnt use in a crime of passion so that 10 days is going to save someone?

I dont have a problem with the 10 day waiting period, but I think 10 days is long enough.

In cali you even have the background check and waiting period at gun shows. The background check is a national law I am fairly sure. So should that not mean gun shows have to do them as well?

I doubt most criminals are getting their guns at gun shows.

I wont go so far to say ex cons should have guns, but I am with laz on punishing people who use them in crime so harshly that they never get out of jail.

And yes for felony spousal abuse I dont have a problem with life if a gun is used or even threatend to be used.

Raider179 · « **Reply #46 on:** May 26, 2005, 05:02:36 PM »

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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Right so you want more paperwork.

You want a ten day waiting period even though I already own 9 firearms. Because the 9 I already own I wouldnt use in a crime of passion so that 10 days is going to save someone?

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See buts it's not about you, your law abiding you wouldnt go shoot your wife or whatever. Its for the wacko's out there that would. Sorry if it causes a small disruption but its really is a small one and it has probably saved someone's life.

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #47 on:** May 26, 2005, 05:14:02 PM »

I am not unreasonable, I am not saying we should get rid of the laws in place. Enforcing them is enough.

I just do not think we need anymore laws that restrict people like me.

Go after the criminals. The laws above do.

beet1e · « **Reply #48 on:** May 26, 2005, 05:28:23 PM »

What GTO can't figure out ^ is that no system can make the distinction between "law abiding" and nascent criminal. Seems like the US is at a turning point with its gun laws, what with making background checks!

Oh the ignominy!! Don't they know about the 2nd amendment?! My god! Having to wait 10 days. Hmmm, maybe the authorities have realised that... maybe Guns-4-All is not the great idea some people like to think it is? Hmmmmm...........

GreenCloud · « **Reply #49 on:** May 26, 2005, 09:04:07 PM »

Curval..and BEATle..hahah ..

Do this if you think no no-law abdiding citizen shoul down a firearm..

STICK A POSTED SIGN THAT READS..

THIS HOUSEHOLD HAS NO FIREARMS INSIDE

NO CAN YOU UNDERSTAND IT NOW..???

Society Is Safer When Criminals Dont Know Whos IS Armed

and btw BEATle...i didnt read the endless crap pages of ur old lady crying about u breaking her arm..the firts post was funny enuff to run with it...

I swear if any chick posted soem crap about me on a BB..Id remind her that im part Indian..From the SlapaHp Tribe...Beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee e AAACHHHHHHHH; )

vorticon · « **Reply #50 on:** May 26, 2005, 09:29:48 PM »

"Crimanals are not shelling out 500$ or more in a gun store for a gun. They buy them ilegaly."

duh. of course no criminal has ever bought a hand gun legally, since everybody already knows there going to use it in a criminal act they go and get a gun from a illegal source in the first place.

Raider179 · « **Reply #51 on:** May 26, 2005, 09:31:38 PM »

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Originally posted by GreenCloud

Society Is Safer When Criminals Dont Know Whos IS Armed

Got any statistics to back this up or are you just making a guess?

Why not take a look at Great Britian and compare it per capita and see if that works out for ya. What did they have 12 fire arm homicides last year?

vorticon · « **Reply #52 on:** May 26, 2005, 09:53:41 PM »

"Why not take a look at Great Britian and compare it per capita and see if that works out for ya. What did they have 12 fire arm homicides last year?"

try comparing it with alberta, we have more guns, a more americanesque culture and history. we have a relativly low use of guns in crimes, most of those are gang related.

Raider179 · « **Reply #53 on:** May 26, 2005, 11:01:40 PM »

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Originally posted by vorticon
"Why not take a look at Great Britian and compare it per capita and see if that works out for ya. What did they have 12 fire arm homicides last year?"

try comparing it with alberta, we have more guns, a more americanesque culture and history. we have a relativly low use of guns in crimes, most of those are gang related.

how bout we just compare a city with a state. Is alberta a country? hmm no its not.

Flit · « **Reply #54 on:** May 27, 2005, 12:53:22 AM »

How about we look at the violent crime rate change in D.C. since firearms were outlawed there ?

Raider179 · « **Reply #55 on:** May 27, 2005, 01:08:02 AM »

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Originally posted by Flit
How about we look at the violent crime rate change in D.C. since firearms were outlawed there ?

why would you do that since guns are available if you travel 1 mile outside of DC.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #56 on:** May 27, 2005, 01:46:40 AM »

for the most part gun control keeps fire arms out of NON-criminals hands. Most of the gun crime you read about happens with unlawfull firearms.

Sox62 · « **Reply #57 on:** May 27, 2005, 01:54:27 AM »

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Originally posted by Curval
I don't understand the woman beating and gun connection.

Simple.

People who beat women can't purchase a gun here.

Sox62 · « **Reply #58 on:** May 27, 2005, 02:07:19 AM »

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Originally posted by Raider179
2) 10 days? man you need that gun awful bad huh? Whats the rush?Next time plan ahead. That law is specifically created so people without guns won't get pissed off and go buy one and go shoot someone. Isn't it sometimes called "cooling off period" or something.

Yeah?

I own a closet full of handguns.Why should I have to wait?Do I need a "cooling off period?"Or do the people passing these bs feelgood laws think I would wait until the new gun arrived before I commited a crime,instead of using one of the dozen I already own?

I have never broken the law.Why shouldn't an instant background check be sufficient?

beet1e · « **Reply #59 on:** May 27, 2005, 04:40:41 AM »

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Originally posted by GreenCloud
Curval..and BEATle..hahah ..

Do this if you think no no-law abdiding citizen shoul down a firearm..

STICK A POSTED SIGN THAT READS..

THIS HOUSEHOLD HAS NO FIREARMS INSIDE

NO CAN YOU UNDERSTAND IT NOW..???

Society Is Safer When Criminals Dont Know Whos IS Armed

LOL Greencloud! You're such a banana. And I can tell you've never left your own shores. Have you ever been out of your own state? Sure, I could post that sign outside my house - the neighbours would think it was rather odd, the postman might crack a wry smile. Beyond that, it wouldn't make a ha'peth of difference. Why's that then? Because none of the other houses have guns inside either. Everyone knows that, including burglars. You might as well do what some loony lefties have done, and post a sign outside that says your house is a nuclear free zone.

A typical burglar comes unarmed. Folks have noticed that too many burglars here don't get jailed for first offences. Why's that then (apart from our govt's soft on crime policy)? Because they're unarmed. Were they to have been armed - even with an imitation firearm, it's an automatic 5 year jail sentence.

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Originally posted by the bull neck brute from Fremont
Yeah I am pretty sure someone like beatle could not buy a gun in the US if he were a resident.

Wrong. I have no criminal record and no police record. My English friend in AR tells me that he could indeed buy a gun if he were so inclined. He isn't.

I'm fascinated by the changes apparently being made to US gun laws and, more to the point, the reasons for these changes. You guys are now having to undergo background checks and a ten-day wait/cooling off period? Why is this? Doesn't your 2nd amendment guarantee that you can buy a gun whenever you want?

Maybe - just maybe - your leaders have begun to realise that Guns-4-All is not such a good idea? That seems to be the case with Mayor Bloomberg of New York. According to your own NRA, Bloomberg is vehemently anti gun, and yet...

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Since Mike Bloomberg took office, crime is down 20% citywide and down in every borough. Murders are down 25% to the lowest level in 40 years. Domestic violence crimes are down 27% and arrests for violations of Megan's Law have more than doubled. Subway crime is also down 10%. According to FBI statistics, New York is now America's safest big city.

and...

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"Mayor Bloomberg has brought vision, innovation, and dedication to the fight on crime. He hasn't just made our neighborhoods safer, he's brought about courthouse reforms that help keep them that way. Thanks to Mayor Bloomberg's Operation Spotlight and Gun Courts, career criminals and the guns they use aren't just getting off our streets, they are staying off." said Dennis Quirk, president of the New York State Court Officers Association.

Source: http://www.mikebloomberg.com No gain without pain, as they say.