EU just won't take "No" for an answer

[Heater]

Originally posted by Staga
I wish Bug would get his dollar too... Bug You know that Euro is 30% more valuable than Dollar is when compared to situation couple years back?

Anyways voters like Bug are the problem;
They don't know what they are voting for but because they think either their government or EU somehow screwed them they will get their "revenge" this way.

Well I can not speak for bug, but I too will vote no, not that I am against Europe, But until the EU get there **** together I will vote against it,

When you talked about the EURO, Bug  is right the prices here dubbed over night and the government let it happen (granted it's the people doing it not the EURO)
But Right now I pay 52% of my income for taxes, (This Sucks) which part of that is going to the EU to support the other member states which is ok, but make it fair for everyone right now the Dutch pay 2-10 Times the amount per person than the other member states again the government let it happen,

This is not to mention the fact, that the Government is now telling us that the Euro - Guilder conversion was 10-20% overvalued... what will the government due about it? Nothing....

Then we look at the Beget short commings, according to the EU rules it can not be more than 3% of the GNP, or you get fined and can not use EU funding etc....
How ever Germany & France + a few others are over the limited and what happens? not a ****ing thing... But Here the government raised taxes & cut programs to stay under the limit.

So again Until the playing field is level for ALL member states the Vote will be NO.

[Saintaw]

Heater,

How do you want the eastern states to pay the same amount we do? Impossible right now... they have 1/10th of the purchasing power we have. (And still, they complain that we don't give them enough...). Like someone here above said... It will take a longer time to get there, we will need at least to wait for the eastern EU countries to come to a higher economic value before that can be done.

Some points of the constitutions aim towards that, and of course... we're the ones paying for it. Don't get me wrong...I'm for the "Yes", but it needs more "long term thinking" than what the nay-sayers are capable.

Mora, the drugs are more expensive.... not that I would know, but...  

[Fishu]

Pastries have become unbelievably expensive since euro, at least in Finland, while many other products haven't.
Before euro I was able to buy a certain bun for about 3.5 FIM (euro = ~5.97 FIM) and today it costs 1.20 to 1.40 per bun (~7.7 FIM).
Thats just ridiculous, and I don't even eat the buns anymore because of the insane pricing.
A year back I heard an old couple wondering together out loud how pastries have become so expensive so quickly.

I wonder whats the thing with over 200% inflation?
Perhaps greed.

[BUG_EAF322]

Sorry saint got kids to feed i just say no.

Im not against europe but my wallet is.

our counrty worked hard to get its wellfare as it has today.

Im not willing to cure other countrys who screwed up.

[Saintaw]

That's what I'm saying BUG, it's not all black & white ... but I still trust something good's comming out of this in the future. (I do, however understand your concern ... it's around 3 € for a beer here... I used to pay 27 Bef for one before 1999, that's about 0.60€)

Fishu...pastries? WTF???

[Staga]

So?

I've paid 4,50€ for a small cup of bad coffee. That was last time we docked boat in that casino's anchorage

Price of beer has been quite stable in here; I don't think the price has changed much in last 5 years.

[Hangtime]

Originally posted by Saintaw

Fishu...pastries? WTF???

it's the lil itty bitty edible cookies with tassles the rooskie 'bed workers' hang on their nippilies. Staga saw one that wuz wearing eight at a time.

[Heater]

Originally posted by Saintaw
Heater,

How do you want the eastern states to pay the same amount we do? Impossible right now... they have 1/10th of the purchasing power we have. (And still, they complain that we don't give them enough...). Like someone here above said... It will take a longer time to get there, we will need at least to wait for the eastern EU countries to come to a higher economic value before that can be done.
snip......

Saw the point I am making is not for the Eastern States....(should have been more claer on that)
it's for the western states.....or the "founding member states"...
once that is on a level playing field it might be different.

one point that comes to mind is Germany & France for the Budget deficit for the last 2 years... the exceed the limit and in place of playing by the rules they, first tried to change them, then when that did not work, they just ignore them.

if I am not mistaken
The Netherlands Pays  €190.00 pp
Germany is somthing like €78.00 pp
France is somthing like  € 43.00 pp

these are just a few examples.

[lada]

Originally posted by BUG_EAF322



We better get dollars.

I wish you had dolars 4 years ago... i realy wish..  

you probably didnt see progress of dolar for last 5 years did you ?

[lada]

Originally posted by Staga
So?

I've paid 4,50€ for a small cup of bad coffee. That was last time we docked boat in that casino's anchorage

Price of beer has been quite stable in here; I don't think the price has changed much in last 5 years.

umm beer cost like 0.5€ here ... for 3€ you have proper good lunch.



are you from same EU ?

[lada]

Originally posted by BUG_EAF322

Im not willing to cure other countrys who screwed up.

Well .. and what do you want... cheap poor neighbour countries, where you can buy cheap vacation, car.... cheap stuff ?

hahaha... lol

You should realize, that world is made by people. Even that most FEKED UP country is run by people.  Do you realy think that Eastern europ want to stay in position .... cheap playground for ritch westerners?

markets are open... now face challenche from us... eastern underhumans

[mora]

Originally posted by lada
umm beer cost like 0.5€ here ... for 3€ you have proper good lunch.



are you from same EU ?

Beer(0.5 l) 2.5€-4.5€

Lunch 5€-9€

Those are general prices, there are exceptions to both directions.

Average income 2500€/month(gross)

[CyranoAH]

Originally posted by mora
Beer(0.5 l) 2.5€-4.5€

Lunch 5€-9€

Those are general prices, there are exceptions to both directions.

Average income 2500€/month(gross)

Beer: around 1.5 €

Lunch: 7-10 € (standard, nothing fancy)

Avg. Income 2000€/month (gross)


Daniel

[mora]

A "nothing fancy" Spanish lunch would be at least 20€ here.

Groceries are "only" 1.5-2 times as expensive.

[lada]

Originally posted by Saintaw
Isnt the "Referendum" in the Netherlands only a "for info" vote? I thought the decision was up to the parliament?

Not sure, just asking.

I think so.

But they expect that parlament will reflect will of people.