Spit remodel

[Kev367th]

How about when it gets doen having the following Mks.

I
LFV - Both 'C' wing and 4x20mm wing
HFVII (extended wing)
LFVIII (clipped wing)
HFIX
XII
XIV

Or any variation of the above. We need something to fill the post 1942 Spits that are FREE.

Or would it be possible to pick the Mk then in the loadout selection pick HF/F/LF engine and clipped/normal/extended tips depending on which alt bands you expected to be working in?

[Skydancer]

I suspect all the US planes will be re modled first! Just a guess.

[Kev367th]

Originally posted by Skydancer
I suspect all the US planes will be re modled first! Just a guess.

You may be right, I am definately getting that feeling myself .

Come on HT the war was going on prior to 1941 ya know. Plus Spits served throughout the war, something that can't be said for some of the planes already done.

Or don't tell me T.O.D. is a USAAF vs Germans.
After all the Brits didn't bomb Berlin, didn't bomb Brest, didn't conduct fighter sweeps across the channel, didn't attack coastal shipping etc etc.

In fact one thing Mossies crews used to boast about - They could carry the same bombload as a B17....only FASTER.

[Fruda]

It would be very nice if they updated the Spits, but I seriously doubt that will happen anytime soon.

Ugh.

[Kev367th]

Forgot

Basically same airframe so will prob get done same time -

Seafire IIc
Seafire III

[TexMurphy]

Free - I
Free - LFV - Both 'C' wing
Perk - 4x20mm wing
Free - HFVII (extended wing)
Free - LFVIII (clipped wing)
Free - HFIX
Free - XII
Perk - XIV

Tex

[Krusty]

Forget making new models. With the UFO stamp on the SpitV now, nobody will ever fly anything else (except the 4x20mm -- stupid idea, will totally destabilize gameplay and VERY few were ever used).

What they need to do is quadruple check their physics on the current spitties, THEN give us representative spitVs and spitIXs (not an uber late SpitV and a porked early SpitIX). Make the SpitV like it was, and the spitIX like it was.

And for anybody that needs 4x20mm hizookas in a SpitfireV to get kills, I laugh hard and long in your direction. 2x is enough for more than 10 kills. Then you still have all that 30call to get kills with. Hell it only takes 1 ping to kill with hispanos, if oyu can't do it with 2 of them and 250 rounds, you don't really think you'll do better with 4x and ~500 rounds, do you??

I don't think we need all those spits. What I think we DO need is a better modeling for SpitV, SpitIX, SpitXIV, and then I think it would be interesting to have a clipped wing LFIX (with poorer maunverability because of the higher wing loading).

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by Kev367th
How about when it gets doen having the following Mks.

I
LFV - Both 'C' wing and 4x20mm wing
HFVII (extended wing)
LFVIII (clipped wing)
HFIX
XII
XIV

Or any variation of the above. We need something to fill the post 1942 Spits that are FREE.

Or would it be possible to pick the Mk then in the loadout selection pick HF/F/LF engine and clipped/normal/extended tips depending on which alt bands you expected to be working in?

Here's how I'd revise the list.

Spit I/II
Spit LFVb-While I love the Spit, I wouldn't have a 4 cannon option if only because it was not a dog fighter and used so rarely it wouldn't be worth it.  By doing the Vb with only the 60 rounds instead of 120 of cannon shells of the Vc, the Spit V-driver has a bit of a penalty for flying that bird that does so well.

Spit FIX-with the Universal wing.  This would be the early bird with the 2 20mm and 4 303s.  It would cover the 42-43 time frame.  Drop tank or single bomb on centerline

Spit LFVIII-This would cover the 43-44 time frame.  Not many VIIIs had clipped wings so it would be standard wing tips but with the Merlin 66 that would fit better for the medium-low alt fights.  Skinners heaven for the MTO, PTO camo.  Single hardpoint for a bomb or drop tank on the centerline.  2 20mm and 4 303

Spit LFXVI-This would be the ground attack bird of 44-45. Packard Merlin 266  Clipped wings fitted with E wing armament of 2 20mm and 2 .50 cals.  Three hard points with a centerline bomb and two wing hardpoints for bombs or the two rocket set up.  Drop tank capable as well.

None of those would be perked.

As much as I've lived and breathed the XII for 20 years, the LFXVI would be the better choice for the low alt bird based on numbers built etc.

I would guess that in the MA the LFXVI would become the Spit of choice, in particular if the Spit V is a Vb with less ammo.

Dan/CorkyJr

[Kev367th]

Krusty - We need a Spit post 1942 that is free, the current choice is just so unbalanced.
The ONLY two dogifters post 1942 (Spit 14 and Tempest) are both perked.

So, yes we do need more Spits if only to give a free post 1942 choice.

Like your list Dan, pretty balanced.

Why not leave the Spit 5 as it is? We have other planes just as rare. (3 cannon Lala eg).

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by Kev367th
Krusty - We need a Spit post 1942 that is free, the current choice is just so unbalanced.
The ONLY two dogifters post 1942 (Spit 14 and Tempest) are both perked.

So, yes we do need more Spits if only to give a free post 1942 choice.

Like your list Dan, pretty balanced.

Why not leave the Spit 5 as it is? We have other planes just as rare. (3 cannon Lala eg).

Just trying to look at it by actual numbers, potential scenario use and the MA.

Right now the LFVc that we have is better then the IX.

Since the Vb was the  main 41-42 bird, it might be better representative of the Spit V in it's service life and it wouldn't be as uber as the present Spit LFVc we have.

And if you have a Seafire that is essentially a Vc, you get both.

I figure if we ever get a clipped wing LFIXe/XVIe, that would be the MA bird of choice anyway.

Dan/CorkyJr

[Kev367th]

Yup, unfortuneately I can't see a XVI or the XII for that matter going unperked.
Just looks like the RAF is destined to have no post 1942 free Spits.
Geez they can't be that good, can they ?

Going by the current values would even expect a VIII to be lightly perked.
A XII at a value between the VIII and XIV, and the XVI at a value between  the XIV and Tempest.

Knowing our luck we will get no new ones, the Spit 5 will be castrated and the 9 left as the dog it is at the moment.

[Guppy35]

It would be rediculous to perk any Merlin Spit.  The XVI is nothing more then a Spit IX with an American made Merlin 266 in place of the Rolls Merlin 66 and a beefed up wing for the ground attack role.

You'd have to start perking 109G10s etc then and that won't fly either

Dan/CorkyJr

[Kev367th]

As regards the perk system, NOTHING would surprise me.

[MANDO]

Originally posted by Kev367th
The ONLY two dogifters post 1942 (Spit 14 and Tempest) are both perked.

I consider the 1944 typh an excelent dogfighter.

[68DevilM]

id like to see the seafire remodeled first, then the spit1, been actually seeing the stit 1 used a bit lately, it always dies but hey at least someones useing it;)