Enough Is Enough

[Karash]

Wait a second..there is balance in the MA?!?!?!

Why was I not told this!

[Kweassa]

I've heard legends say that HT is "the Chosen One".

 Bring balance to the MA they say

[Patches1]

If you really want to limit LA-7's, then bring back the ability to bring fuel levels to 25% at an airbase. With this ability you don't need to perk the LA-7 because it's fuel limitations will limit its abilities to fly the longer ranges that it enjoys today (ie...you cannot bring fuel levels below 75% at any airfield).

Secondarily, the fuel Strat targets become important for bombers to target again.

And, for those who will wish this not to occur...there are already 4 fuel bunkers on a small field alone ...I have no objection to putting up more...a target is a target...in the air (LA-7's)...or on the ground (fuel for LA-7's).

Just some thoughts...

[Overlag]

Originally posted by Patches1
If you really want to limit LA-7's, then bring back the ability to bring fuel levels to 25% at an airbase. With this ability you don't need to perk the LA-7 because it's fuel limitations will limit its abilities to fly the longer ranges that it enjoys today (ie...you cannot bring fuel levels below 75% at any airfield).

Secondarily, the fuel Strat targets become important for bombers to target again.

And, for those who will wish this not to occur...there are already 4 fuel bunkers on a small field alone ...I have no objection to putting up more...a target is a target...in the air (LA-7's)...or on the ground (fuel for LA-7's).

Just some thoughts...

very true, however this will make everyone fly p51d's lol but yeah i do wish fuel porking would go.... that was "our" way to perk the la7/spits

[hitech]

From the current Tour.

    Name       Kills  Planes   %Total    %Plane
Panzer IV H      30840      0   8.63%   0.00%
La-7             22736  22736   6.36%   8.68%
Ship Gunner      21950      0   6.14%   0.00%
N1K2             19411  19411   5.43%   7.41%
Ostwind          16088      0   4.50%   0.00%
Spitfire V       14953  14953   4.19%   5.71%
Typhoon IB       14221  14221   3.98%   5.43%
SeaFire          14148  14148   3.96%   5.40%
Tiger I          11732      0   3.28%   0.00%
P-51D            11158  11158   3.12%   4.26%
Bf 109G-10       10789  10789   3.02%   4.12%
Spitfire Mk I     9866   9866   2.76%   3.77%
Bf 110G-2         9699   9699   2.71%   3.70%
Fw 190D-9         8734   8734   2.44%   3.33%
F4U-1C            7748   7748   2.17%   2.96%
P-38J             7033   7033   1.97%   2.68%
Il-2              6685   6685   1.87%   2.55%
B-24J             6592   6592   1.85%   2.52%
F6F-5             6440   6440   1.80%   2.46%
F4U-1D            6311   6311   1.77%   2.41%
P-38L             6151   6151   1.72%   2.35%
Hurricane IIC     5450   5450   1.53%   2.08%
M-16              4827      0   1.35%   0.00%
A6M5b             4646   4646   1.30%   1.77%
C.205             4269   4269   1.19%   1.63%
Tempest           4120   4120   1.15%   1.57%
Fw 190A-8         4040   4040   1.13%   1.54%
Ki-84-Ia          3772   3772   1.06%   1.44%
PT Boat           3686      0   1.03%   0.00%
P-47-D30          3478   3478   0.97%   1.33%
Lancaster III     3462   3462   0.97%   1.32%
Bf 109F-4         3325   3325   0.93%   1.27%
La-5FN            3257   3257   0.91%   1.24%
Fw 190A-5         3049   3049   0.85%   1.16%
Yak-9U            2707   2707   0.76%   1.03%
B-26B             2574   2574   0.72%   0.98%
B-17G             2369   2369   0.66%   0.90%
A-20G             2311   2311   0.65%   0.88%
F4U-1             2266   2266   0.63%   0.86%
Me 262            2189   2189   0.61%   0.84%
Mosquito Mk V     2179   2179   0.61%   0.83%
Bf 109G-6         2106   2106   0.59%   0.80%
Chute             1393      0   0.39%   0.00%
Bf 109G-2         1293   1293   0.36%   0.49%
P-47D-11          1229   1229   0.34%   0.47%
FM2               1178   1178   0.33%   0.45%
P-47-D25          1123   1123   0.31%   0.43%
F4U-4             1101   1101   0.31%   0.42%
T-34              1101      0   0.31%   0.00%
P-38G             1084   1084   0.30%   0.41%
P-51B             1047   1047   0.29%   0.40%
M-3                966      0   0.27%   0.00%
Yak-9T             892    892   0.25%   0.34%
Ki-61              857    857   0.24%   0.33%
Fw 190F-8          832    832   0.23%   0.32%
Me 163B            812    812   0.23%   0.31%
LVTA2              752      0   0.21%   0.00%
Ju 88              700    700   0.20%   0.27%
M-8                699      0   0.20%   0.00%
LVTA4              651      0   0.18%   0.00%
Gunner             591      0   0.17%   0.00%
Spitfire Mk X      483    483   0.14%   0.18%
P-40E              456    456   0.13%   0.17%
Hurricane IID      426    426   0.12%   0.16%
P-40B              418    418   0.12%   0.16%
Ki-67              410    410   0.11%   0.16%
F4F-4              407    407   0.11%   0.16%
Ta 152H            404    404   0.11%   0.15%
A6M2               375    375   0.10%   0.14%
TBM-3              354    354   0.10%   0.14%
Bf 109E-4          338    338   0.09%   0.13%
Hurricane Mk       196    196   0.05%   0.07%
C-47A              195    195   0.05%   0.07%
Bf 110C-4b         195    195   0.05%   0.07%
Spitfire Mk I      171    171   0.05%   0.07%
C.202              166    166   0.05%   0.06%
Ju 87D-3           128    128   0.04%   0.05%
D3A1               122    122   0.03%   0.05%
SBD-5              121    121   0.03%   0.05%
Ar 234             112    112   0.03%   0.04%
Boston III          58     58   0.02%   0.02%
B5N2                56     56   0.02%   0.02%
Total           357259 261983 100.00% 100.00%

LePaul: I do not see any of your statements as a whine.

But I have a very hard time with your statement

But I, again respectfully, disagree with you. When I fly online, its La7s everywhere

When only about 1 out of 10 planes in the air is an LA7.

[JB73]

Originally posted by Patches1
If you really want to limit LA-7's, then bring back the ability to bring fuel levels to 25% at an airbase. With this ability you don't need to perk the LA-7 because it's fuel limitations will limit its abilities to fly the longer ranges that it enjoys today (ie...you cannot bring fuel levels below 75% at any airfield).

Secondarily, the fuel Strat targets become important for bombers to target again.

And, for those who will wish this not to occur...there are already 4 fuel bunkers on a small field alone ...I have no objection to putting up more...a target is a target...in the air (LA-7's)...or on the ground (fuel for LA-7's).

Just some thoughts...

i would have to disagree... it would not only limit the la7, but all of the LW planes.

in limiting 1 plane, you eliminate an entire planeset. don't forget many LW planes have even shorter legs than the la7.

[dedalos]

Two things:

HT you mispeled COAD

I honestly think that the reasons everyone thinks there are so many LA7s out there are:
1)  The LA tag.  See LA assume LA7 (I was going against VD last night and was convinced he was in a LA7.   After 3 minutes I relized it was an LA5)
2)  You are at an almost capped base or the deffenders just busted the cap.
3)  People just look for them and make note that they saw one.  Never mind the 10 spits around us, we are all focused on the LA7s
4)  Could not land the vulches cause 1 lala made it of the runway and run the hero down (not reffering to anyone in this thread)

[mussie]

So can someone tell me what criteria makes a plane perked

For example the F4U-1C vs N1K2

N1K2 not perked
Speed: sea-level (324mph with WEP)
Guns: 4x20mm 200rpg and 250rpg 900 total
Fuel duration: 44 minutes on internal fuel
Manoeuvrability: Outstanding

F4U-1C perked
Speed: sea-level (356mph with WEP)
Guns: 4x200 230rpg  920 total (granted the hispano is a better gun)
Fuel duration: 28 minutes on full internal fuel
Manoeuvrability: Quite good  

The f4 has better guns and speed but the N1k has almost twice the range and better manoeuvrability. The N1k has the advantage of carrying less fuel as it has better range and there fore will manoeuvre even better

THE ABOVE INFO IS FROM SODAS WEB SITE  
http://www.telusplanet.net/~dsoder/models.htm
BTW Nice work Soda

I have not flown either plan much so perhaps it in the flight that I would find the answer or is it the fact that the F4 can carry a fair wack of ord

On the LA7 subject I am not to fussed with em, hell now and then I up in Spit 1's and Hurri 1's just for a change.

[hitech]

Oops wrong thread

[Kev367th]

I too would be interested in the criteria for perking planes.

Especially the cost also, considering the outrageous cost of a Spit 14.

Loooking at your figures HT
La-7             22736  22736   6.36%   8.68%
N1K2             19411  19411   5.43%   7.41%
Spitfire V       14953  14953   4.19%   5.71%
Typhoon IB       14221  14221   3.98%   5.43%

You realise if you ignore the Nik the closest plane to the Lala has 8000 less sorties?
Seems unbalanced to me?
Your whole premise is incorrect.

LA7 22735
NIK 19411

Then a lot around 13000 - 14000

So yup I would say it dominates (#'s wise).

[Kweassa]

Still, it's good info HT. We appreciate it.

[thrila]

oooo... the spit IX has slipped to 8th.  Maybe it will continue it's slide and drop out of the top ten in a few months.  I do find it bizzare people call for the spit IX to be perked when it's useage is less than the spit V/seafire

[SuperDud]

Originally posted by mussie
So can someone tell me what criteria makes a plane perked

For example the F4U-1C vs N1K2

N1K2 not perked
Speed: sea-level (324mph with WEP)
Guns: 4x20mm 200rpg and 250rpg 900 total
Fuel duration: 44 minutes on internal fuel
Manoeuvrability: Outstanding

F4U-1C perked
Speed: sea-level (356mph with WEP)
Guns: 4x200 230rpg  920 total (granted the hispano is a better gun)
Fuel duration: 28 minutes on full internal fuel
Manoeuvrability: Quite good  

The f4 has better guns and speed but the N1k has almost twice the range and better manoeuvrability. The N1k has the advantage of carrying less fuel as it has better range and there fore will manoeuvre even better

But you forgot to mention the DT's which should automatically be factored in b/c if you need them you take them. Plus, manuverability isn't everything. The F4U can simply use speed adv to zoom above the NIK and control the fight, I've done it plenty of times. And in the right hands amd equally well flown F4U will take the NIK 50% of the time in a dogfight. This is assuming all things equal of coarse.

[mussie]

Again from Soda's page

F4U-1C
Fuel duration is reasonable, 28 minutes on full internal fuel with the option to add up to two drop tanks that each add 18 minutes more, for a total of up to 65 minutes

N1KJ
Fuel duration is excellent at 44 minutes on internal alone, with the option to add another 24 minutes in a drop tank.

N1KJ
44 + 24 = 68 Minutes

F4U-1C
28 + 36 = 65 Minutes

With the DT's they are almost equal in flight time

But again I have not flown either plane much. so I cant comment on them based on experience.

I will have to try them off line (save the perks) and see if I can feel the difference in the way they fly.

[SuperDud]

Originally posted by mussie
Again from Soda's page

F4U-1C
Fuel duration is reasonable, 28 minutes on full internal fuel with the option to add up to two drop tanks that each add 18 minutes more, for a total of up to 65 minutes

N1KJ
Fuel duration is excellent at 44 minutes on internal alone, with the option to add another 24 minutes in a drop tank.

N1KJ
44 + 24 = 68 Minutes

F4U-1C
28 + 36 = 65 Minutes

With the DT's they are almost equal in flight time

But again I have not flown either plane much. so I cant comment on them based on experience.

I will have to try them off line (save the perks) and see if I can feel the difference in the way they fly.

LoL, I don't fly them either to be honest. The few times I did it was Redd and myself testing out their abilities in a dogfight. The fights were even enough that it came down to who made the 1st mistake(usually me lol). None of this was scientific, but from what we found, the nik had the adv for the first 20 secs of the fight. Then, surprisingly to me, at slower speeds the F4U went blow for blow with the NIK. When that hog gets slow it can drop flaps and gear and has a nasty overshoot in the right hands. Wasn't out to start a fight or prove you wrong bud. I just rememebr uppin an F4UD once with full fuel and I remember thinking that the thing could fly forever, the numbers above just didn't seem right to me.