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Offline Silat

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« Reply #315 on: July 02, 2005, 12:35:45 PM »
See Rule #5
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« Reply #316 on: July 02, 2005, 12:42:43 PM »
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A rose by any other name would smell just as sweet.
They get the same benefits, which in essence makes it the same.



That's a weak argument since it's based on your personnal opinion on the subject which isn't any better then anyone else's.

I don't like religious conservatives so I want my government to make their religions illegal. :rolleyes:
Do you want your government to makes laws this way ?

If you can't give me a logical reason why they should not get the same benefits as you, you got no argument.

So bring it. :D


Oh, they ARE married?!  Can they conceive a child?  Sit down sir.

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« Reply #317 on: July 02, 2005, 12:53:38 PM »
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Oh, they ARE married?!  Can they conceive a child?
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Tell me, since you seem to have missed this part of the discussion...  

Are you saying that a sterile or barren male/female couple should not be allowed to get married?
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« Reply #318 on: July 02, 2005, 12:54:59 PM »
adoption?  anyone?
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« Reply #319 on: July 02, 2005, 02:44:55 PM »
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« Reply #320 on: July 02, 2005, 02:58:58 PM »
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Its none of your business:)
 


Okie doke. I can live with that. Was just trying to clear something up in my mind.

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Are you into beastiality?:)


  Well.........only the occasinal hot dog. :)

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And yes I want all Americans to have absolute equal treatment under the law dont you?


  When they are violating the very basis and laws of nature itself then I don`t consider a law and or laws to promote and protect such activity valid. So, I would have to answer no. Like isaid earlier....Serial killers have their "rights" taken away. Child molestors have their "rights" taken away. I`m certainly not big into promoting giving them or gays "rights", if that is what you prefer to call it.

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There are lots of things others do that I dont agree with but as long as it doesnt touch me then that is their business. Now why do you spend time thinking about homosexuals and what they are doing?


  When it is put up as a law and or laws that effect what future generations would be taught, shown approval of and effects the very standards of which will be acceptable in the country I live in and am very proud of, I have no other alternative than to think about homosexuals and what they are doing. I consider it my obligation.

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My daughters are grown and I did teach them that all have the same rights to happiness under the law. I also taught them that religion has no place in Government. And Government has no place in religion.


  Religion has always been and will continue to be a part of our government. It`s not a machine. It consists of living, breathing human beings.
  We will just have to agree to disagree on this I guess. I don`t see you budging from your views on this and I damn sure have no intnetions of budging on mine. :)
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« Reply #321 on: July 02, 2005, 03:29:17 PM »
It's fundamentally impossible to violate the laws of nature.

Do you understand this?

Dead explained it allready in this thread better than I can.

And even if by some weird intersection of alternate universes it was unatural. You or I don't have the right to tell other consenting adults what they can and can't do.

Some people don't like big menacing bugs and spiders, because they remind them of the alien within.

For any straight person there is a certain amount of uncomfortable tension experienced when being around gays. For some people it's too much to deal with so they repress it.
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« Reply #322 on: July 02, 2005, 11:26:16 PM »
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Some people don't like big menacing bugs and spiders, because they remind them of the alien within.
 

:lol
  Time for your nap.
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« Reply #323 on: July 03, 2005, 02:59:34 AM »
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This is written by a student not a recognised expert on the subject.

Religion has no place in our government. That doesnt mean you cant have your faith for yourself. It means keep your faith off my plate.



Whats the big deal if it was written by a student? All of his references are at the bottom of the page.

Keep my faith off your plate? I didn't put it there, it's just in the same room with ya right now :)
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« Reply #324 on: July 03, 2005, 03:14:00 AM »
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The reason that Christian fundamentalists believe that the Bible is the basis of our legal system is that is what they have always heard from their pulpits and they refuse to look it up for themselves.


I dont recall ever hearing that from the pulpit. Could be I just dont remember..../shrug
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« Reply #325 on: July 03, 2005, 03:22:48 AM »
Manedew,

I just posted that link because you  brought up genetics several times. It wasn't an attempt to answer your questions because science doesnt even have the answers to the question of a homosexual gene yet. They have some evidence and theories right now but thats it.

To be honest, some of your questions, I have no idea what you are talking about, sorry :(


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Some people don't like big menacing bugs and spiders, because they remind them of the alien within.


Not me Suave, all objections I have to gay marriage are based on what the Bible has to say about homosexuality. No aliens within over here ;)
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« Reply #326 on: July 03, 2005, 11:42:18 AM »
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And churches could continue to marry who they see fit to marry in religious ceremonies.


They are free to do that in Canada now. That's why this law is great, it does not force anyone's view on others. Christians are free to not perform gay marriages if they do not want to.

This law is a perfect example of Freedom of Worship.
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« Reply #327 on: July 03, 2005, 11:46:25 AM »
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They are free to do that in Canada now. That's why this law is great, it does not force anyone's view on others. Christians are free to not perform gay marriages if they do not want to.

This law is a perfect example of Freedom of Worship.


IN the US the rightwing Christians want to force their anti gay beliefs on all of us.
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« Reply #328 on: July 03, 2005, 12:19:24 PM »
Silat,

Up until Mass changed it's law, what was the law of the land?

Answering for you, it was that gay marraige was not an accepted norm.

Now the law is being changed to make gay marraige accepted as normal, or at least the attempt is being made to do so.  It is those in opposition to the traditional and accepted policies who are driving the change.  

As the present accepted policy is that of traditional marraige, it is not "Rightwing Christians" forcing their beliefs upon us as those beliefs are already accepted as law, it is those who are driving the change from the traditional norm forcing their beliefs on the "Rightwing Christians".
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« Reply #329 on: July 03, 2005, 01:46:18 PM »
Holden you hit the proverbial nail on the head on this one. Change is being pushed on us by gay rights activists, not the other way around.

Silat where does your intense hatred of Christians come from? You generally refer to Christians as *Christian Fundamentalists* or *right wing Christians*. Can we drop the labels please?
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