Author Topic: P47N Perk Debate (Read 5806 times)

Donzo · « **Reply #60 on:** July 04, 2005, 03:46:35 AM »

Personally, I like perky jugs.

Wilbus · « **Reply #61 on:** July 04, 2005, 04:06:13 AM »

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Originally posted by Kev367th
Thats what I was looking for, thanks.
My exact reason why it will be perked, I knew it was 450+mph.

Well, this alone is not enough reason IMO.

The 109 G10 reaches speeds up to 460mph at about 24k, and it's got 10 minutes of WEP yet it is not perked nor should it ever be perked IMO. It's a plane that will most likely never upset the arena balance due to its difficulties to fly and get kills in.

Speed, specially high alt speed alone is nothing a plane should be perked for (even though several perk planes are perked for just that reason).

Really, who is flying around at 35-40k in a Ta152 unless trying to stop an HQ raid, and even then the Me163 will do a far better and quicker job.

If the P47N got nothing more to it then a good high alt speed it shouldn't be perked, can't exactly perk it for its long range capabilities, noone uses it anyway.

Kev367th · « **Reply #62 on:** July 04, 2005, 04:24:12 AM »

True Wilbus, but that is the main reason for perking the Spit 14 and TA152, after all their performance down low is nothing special.

Couple with the fact without the perk you'd a lot more of both of them (14 and 152), I think it would be safe to say that unperked all you'd just about see is the P47N instead of the other two Jugs.

G10 at 24k yep its fast, but this is just where the others mentioned really start to perform, try taking it to best alts for the Spit 14, 152, P47N, see how it stacks up.

Wilbus · « **Reply #63 on:** July 04, 2005, 05:56:41 AM »

Main reason yes Kev but IMO that is a bad reason to perk a plane in AH as it is quite clear that the vast majority of the fights take place bellow 10k, and when a fight actually starts at 20k+ it usually ends up at the deck for obvious reasons.

Spit 14 has got its best speed at 26k with WEP, 450mph.

Rechecked the G10, best speed at about 22k, 455mph.

Ta152 has got it's best speed (in AH) at about 35k with WEP although the charts we have now no longer show 30k+.

Unperking the Ta152 and you'd see more of them for a short time, few days or a week at the most, not enough people have the skill or patience required for that plane. Same thing goes for the Spit 14 although this is a far superior performer to the Ta152 down low thanks to its turn rate and superior climb rate and I'd say the 14 needs to remain perked, although cheap, 10 maybe?

P47N, we just don't know yet, hopefully it will be unperked in the beginning but I won't get my hopes up. I just don't understand the reason to perk a plane that is fast up high, such a plane will not upset the arena balance.

Ghosth · « **Reply #64 on:** July 04, 2005, 07:01:42 AM »

I don't think the 152 should be unperked.

I do agree that looking at what it can do, and its kills/deaths last tour, that its overpriced by half at least.

You could bring it down to a base of 10 or 20, make it a lot more available, and still not have it be unbalancing the arena.

Wilbus · « **Reply #65 on:** July 04, 2005, 07:27:02 AM »

Don't agree with ya bro, it would never upset the arena balance, the plane is too difficult to fly for the vast majority of players and it requires too much patience. Dora, La7, G10, Pony will all give better results.

And the reason it may have fairly good kill/death is that people fly it more carefull because it's a perk.

Just my opinion of course.

Kev367th · « **Reply #66 on:** July 04, 2005, 08:41:40 AM »

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Originally posted by Wilbus
Main reason yes Kev but IMO that is a bad reason to perk a plane in AH as it is quite clear that the vast majority of the fights take place bellow 10k, and when a fight actually starts at 20k+ it usually ends up at the deck for obvious reasons.

The light dawns!!!!
The majority of fights allowing for a little leeway are under 15k.
Therefore why should ANY plane be perked for its altitude performance? Unfortuneately its just the way things are.

Wilbus · « **Reply #67 on:** July 04, 2005, 09:29:37 AM »

Yup, that's the way it is. And that is bad...

Not much to do about it. I'd still be surprised if the N is not perked though and the Ta152 remains perked.

Morpheus · « **Reply #68 on:** July 04, 2005, 09:34:36 AM »

I say unperk it all except 262 and temp. Well, perk the goon/m3 too because taking bases in l33t & uber.

Kev367th · « **Reply #69 on:** July 04, 2005, 10:31:01 AM »

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Originally posted by Morpheus
I say unperk it all except 262 and temp. Well, perk the goon/m3 too because taking bases in l33t & uber.

Be interesting if everything apart from the 262, 163 and Tempest were unperked (sorry can't have a free Tempy).
Don't think it would affect a lot of people.
I'd change from Tiffy to Spit 14.

bj229r · « **Reply #70 on:** July 04, 2005, 03:32:18 PM »

P47N will prolly STILL climb like a stone, and its performance probably wont be realized untill it reaches 20k+,-- P47 guys will prolly drive it, but after the initial intro, will prolly fade out a bit

Nilsen · « **Reply #71 on:** July 04, 2005, 03:36:02 PM »

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Originally posted by bj229r
P47N will prolly STILL climb like a stone, and its performance probably wont be realized untill it reaches 20k+,-- P47 guys will prolly drive it, but after the initial intro, will prolly fade out a bit

I hope you are in for a suprise

DipStick · « **Reply #72 on:** July 04, 2005, 04:21:01 PM »

I'd agree. Perk the jets and the Temp, everything else is meat.

CHECKERS · « **Reply #73 on:** July 04, 2005, 04:41:24 PM »

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Originally posted by Kev367th
Be interesting if everything apart from the 262, 163 and Tempest were unperked (sorry can't have a free Tempy).
Don't think it would affect a lot of people.
I'd change from Tiffy to Spit 14.

"Interesting ??? - The Game would be a complete blast to play !!! " .....

CHECKERS

Pongo · « **Reply #74 on:** July 04, 2005, 07:46:56 PM »

The 152 is used alot to hunt buffs. That makes its kill to death a bit weird I think.

People list the speed at alt. What is the speed at 15k 10k and 5k?
The spit XIV is not just fast up high its slow on the deck. Otherwise it would be uber. But if the Jug N can hang on to 400 at 5k it would rock the joint.