Comparing Islam to Christianity

[GRUNHERZ]

There is plenty of history of religiously inspired violence in the Jewish, Christian and Muslim tradition dating back thousands of years now - that's clear to every objective observer.

It should be equally clear that very  profound forces in the muslim world are now effectively fighting a global war against the western secular democracies.

[Donzo]

Originally posted by AKH

1)No, someone else did, I just copied them.

2)How do you know that I haven't read the bible?

3)I did, but would like some clarification.  Are you saying that the Old Testament is included more for historical reasons than religious doctrine?

4)Or are you saying that the Old Testament is the word of God, but is superceded by the Christian Gospel?

5)Would I?    What are you going to do next, deduce my religion?  Why don't you just stick me in the Jihad pigeonhole.  Oh, you already did that, didn't you?

Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

WOW!
Where to start.
Let's see;
1 & 2) Someone else did and you copied them.  I do not know for a fact that you have or have not read the Bible but given the fact that you cut and paste something someone else wrote and take it to be what is written in the Bible, I would bet you haven't read it.  If you had, why would take something someone else wrote when it was off from what you had read?  Trying to incite something?

3) No.  The whole Bible is a history.  That is what I said...The Bible, not the Old Testament.  The Old Testament is not just "included", it is part of the whole Bible.  Religious doctorine, yes...the religious doctorine prior to Christ.

4) Not saying that at all.  It is all the Word of God.  
(back to my earlier post...the one a referred you to):
"HEAR, O ISRAEL! THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD; AND YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH. The second is this, YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF. There is no other commandment greater than these." - Mark 12:29-31

When you love God completely and care for others as you care for yourself, you have fullfilled God's intent of the Ten Commandments and the other laws in the Old Testament. According to Jesus, these two commandments summarize all of God's laws.

No superceding of anything here.  Read it, understand it.

5)WHOAAAA!
Deduce your religion?  Sir, I do not have any idea of what religion you are.  I never asked, nor do I care in this context.  I was responding to your reckless posting of Bible verses that were intended to show Christianity as a "go out and kill" religion.  
Why else would you have posted as you did?

Originally posted by AKH

"Why don't you just stick me in the Jihad pigeonhole.  Oh, you already did that, didn't you?"

  Uh...what?
When did I do that, sir?

I have not judged you.

Plain and simple.

You seem to want to portray Christianity in a negative light and pick and choose verses that suit your view.  I have, on more than one occasion, pointed out some of the differences between the two Testaments of the Bible.  
Where have I attacked anyone or any religion?

[Hangtime]

Originally posted by SOB
Hang, alot of it all makes absolutely zero sense.  That's why it takes faith.  You're never gonna get a reasonable explanation that answers all of your questions about religion.  It just ain't there.

Give the man a cigar.

Theology is never any help; it is searching in a dark cellar at midnight for a black cat that isn't there.

The sixty-four dollar question is why folks still roll their sleeves up and use it as a reason to lop off each others heads.

[Donzo]

Originally posted by Hangtime
Where in the old testement do we look for the amendments on the word of God? Did God indicate that his word was law, expect where it conflicts with the wishes of his son? Do we get to vote on the word of God? On the word of the holy ghost? The Pope?

Should we circulate petitions for amendment to the Koran or the Bible?

Or both?

I mean the whole concept of the 'word of god evolves' I find really interesting! Shazaam! Do we need a Supreme Court of Popes? A Theological Council of Religious Elders Representing All the Faiths of Man?

Hey.. that could work!

Focus please.

First I asked a question in my post...no answer.

Second I went on to comment on the Constitution and somehow you managed to combine my saying the Word of God evolved with amendments...strange.

When it comes to "evolves"  I do not think you and I are on the same page.  Let me ask you this:  If someone is dictating something to someone, is that which they dictate evolving?  It's all up in their head and to the person being dictated to it is evolving.  The Bible was not written all at once.  It was written over thousands of years.  While the text may have changed over those thousands of years, the message has been pretty consistant.  And the ultimate "amendment" (good analogy Holden  ) to His Word was the New Testament.

[Hangtime]

Oh, horsepucky.

The new testement was cobbled up by a council of church elders convened by a heathen roman emperor with nothing other than the control of his subjects as the motivation for it.

Focus? Whats YOUR agenda? Holy War? Retribution? Punishment? Reward for Fealty? Faith? How to honor thy Father?

Cripes, anybody can prove anything with that Tome.. or thiers.

Again.. Focus? Deal with this: Christianty vs Islam.

Neither side has the right to enforce it's religious precepts by violence on others.. Deal with this next.. sooner or later, the majority of folks on this planet will come to their senses and recognize that the disgusting behavior of Islamic AND Christian AND Jewish AND religious sectarians relieves the rest of us of any intellectual obligation to take the stuff spouted from their pieholes seriously. No amount of sanctimonious bible or koran thumping rationalization can make such lethal human behavior anything but pathological.

Religious violence; it a massive blight on society.

Focus.

ON THAT!

[AKH]

WOW!
Where to start.
Let's see;
1 & 2) Someone else did and you copied them. I do not know for a fact that you have or have not read the Bible but given the fact that you cut and paste something someone else wrote and take it to be what is written in the Bible, I would bet you haven't read it. If you had, why would take something someone else wrote when it was off from what you had read? Trying to incite something?


3) No. The whole Bible is a history. That is what I said...The Bible, not the Old Testament. The Old Testament is not just "included", it is part of the whole Bible. Religious doctorine, yes...the religious doctorine prior to Christ.

4) Not saying that at all. It is all the Word of God.
(back to my earlier post...the one a referred you to):
"HEAR, O ISRAEL! THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD; AND YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH. The second is this, YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF. There is no other commandment greater than these." - Mark 12:29-31

When you love God completely and care for others as you care for yourself, you have fullfilled God's intent of the Ten Commandments and the other laws in the Old Testament. According to Jesus, these two commandments summarize all of God's laws.

No superceding of anything here. Read it, understand it.

5)WHOAAAA!
Deduce your religion? Sir, I do not have any idea of what religion you are. I never asked, nor do I care in this context. I was responding to your reckless posting of Bible verses that were intended to show Christianity as a "go out and kill" religion.
Why else would you have posted as you did?

Uh...what?
When did I do that, sir?

I have not judged you.

Plain and simple.

You seem to want to portray Christianity in a negative light and pick and choose verses that suit your view. I have, on more than one occasion, pointed out some of the differences between the two Testaments of the Bible.
Where have I attacked anyone or any religion?

1 & 2)  If you did some research, you'd find that the statements in my original post are an accurate, concise and direct paraphrasing of the original verses as referenced.  You will, of course, have to refer to the NIV bible.

Intended to incite discussion.  Please refer back to my original post.  Most specifically what I have quoted.  Put that in context.

3)  OK - Old Testament = old doctrine.  Then I would like Christians to stop quoting the Old Testament to justify their position.

4) Love thy neighbour obviously contradicts all the "Burn or stone the sinner" laws from the Old Testament.  So who do you obey, God or the son of God?  As a Christian, I would imagine it would be the latter.  I would say that many people would agree that the New Testament has indeed superceded the old on that issue, at least.

5) You've been making summary judgements about me right from the beginning.   You're convinced that I haven't read the bible.  You're wrong.  You have decided that I want to paint Christianity in a negative light.  Where have *I* attacked Christianity or any other religion?

Only Christians who don't practice what they preach put Christianity in a bad light.   And that applies to all religions.

[Gunthr]

I feel I am much more objective than someone who claims to be part of any branch of any religion.

And to answer your question on faith. I figured you for a Christian based on your reply "The point is, the Bible does not call for lynching as a way to please God." If you're not then I apologize for assuming.

And I so "Hopefully we can acknowledge that and move on..."

If the discussion can go back to "in general" and up from the "personal" level Seagoon brought it to. - Westy

Well, I'm no expert.  But both books say what they say, and its fairly undisputable no matter what faith we are.

Is there any doubt that the numbers of Muslim extremists who engage in terrorism far, far outnumber Christian extremists who commit terrorism?

[Westy]

"Is there any doubt that the numbers of Muslim extremists who engage in terrorism far, far outnumber Christian extremists who commit terrorism?"

 Not at all IMO.    Christianity has, for the most part,  matured and grew out of it's "force our beliefs on others via murder and terrorism" phase.   Thank Cod for liberals or  we (those in the US) would be living in Puristania and burning witches publicly in the main square in the holy, capitol city of Salem.
 
 Fortunately now the worst most of us have to fear are door-to-door religionware salesman, those that scream from street corners or the ones buying up old AM radio stations and filling the airwaves with spooky kids tales about monsters, infernal damnation and brimfire.

 Unless you happen to be living within rifle or C4 range of Sid Fein, KKK, or White Supremacist group just to name a few of the most radical Christian extremist groups. Heck I'd seriously worry if I lived next door to a Planned Parenthood clinic.


p.s. read more of the posts made since last night and eh  No matter how I try I really can't hold a candle to SOB and Hangtime.  They say it so much better and with a lot fewer words.

[lazs2]

yep... I don't care if your particular god states that you have to skin all dark haired people alive so long as it is just talk... you start doing it and we have to wipe you vermin out.

If the christians start another holy war or inquisition... put me down for some christian sniping.

lazs

[mosgood]

Originally posted by Donzo
What exactly was your post with references after each line.  You just make that up?

Why don't you read the Bible instead of just picking up things here and there?



Go back and read my post about the difference between the Old and New Testament.

Look at it this way.  The Old Testament was the evolution of God's Laws.  Christ came and explained the Laws.

Anyone can take parts of a document and make it say whatever they want it to.  This is wrong and unless you read the Bible as a whole, you miss the whole point.  

You would have it that the Bible talks only of going out and killing in the name of God.

Donzo,

thanks for the great posts you had on this thread.  Good stuff.

I'd like to look at the existance of the Old Testiment for a minute.  

If it was, at one time, the only Bible and explained the law of GOD as it was interpreted (before Christ came along and changed it), doesn't that open up the possiblity that the new testiment couild also be incorrect?  It's kinda like saying.... "well... if it was set down  incorrectly and interpreted incorrectly in the first place.... how can you trust it to be accurate now?"  It's still done by men that certainly have a bias towards what it says.

[Gunthr]

If the christians start another holy war or inquisition... put me down for some christian sniping.

lazs

the best way to approach this would be to scatter a bunch of bibles in field then scramble up to high ground and wait.

Then again, its probably illegal to take Christians off a baited patch, or to use dynomite or snares.

[Raider179]

[I keep seeing you guys say the "word of god" but isnt the bible just man's recollections and stories about what happened. As I recall only Qu'ran is the actual word of God and has been unchanged since it was written.  The Torah might be too but I cant remember right now.

You might mean something different than what I am interpreting as your "word of God".

[Yeager]

Unless God flew his hiney down to terra firma and sat at a table with pen and paper, anything written in any book is written by a human being.

[Raider179]

Originally posted by Yeager
Unless God flew his hiney down to terra firma and sat at a table with pen and paper, anything written in any book is written by a human being.

Not disagreeing with ya, just telling saying there is a difference.

[Karnak]

How many of you have read the Quran?