Author Topic: Ki84 (Read 4673 times)

killnu · « **Reply #60 on:** July 25, 2005, 02:50:37 PM »

glad you posted that, was a point in that fight, i had you lead perfectly on my end from 400 or so my end...on your film, appeared i was shooting behind you. by a ways.

unfortunatley, i didnt film that one, filmed the one right after tho, i hit a spit in tail 6 different times before tail came off... was nice.

Stang · « **Reply #61 on:** July 25, 2005, 04:08:27 PM »

Ouch, pwned on film heh. I hadn't flown the 38 in months before that flight, and don't think I will again anytime soon. That thing is a pig compared to the KI84.

I've also come to love the KI84. It's a fickle bird that you have to know to get the most out of it, and I absolutely love that about it. It's not an easy mode SpitV just yank and bank ride or point and click la7 speed demon. It takes a bit more to do well in it, and it's a fun challenge.

StarOfAfrica2 · « **Reply #62 on:** July 25, 2005, 04:15:29 PM »

Wilbus, the Ki-84 has been one of my staple rides since it came out. I havent touched it much this tour, since I've been trying the "worthless planes tour", but next month I'll be back to my F4U-1 and Ki-84 standard. The two things that make it difficult for a new pilot to learn (IMO) are:

1) Low speed handling is great, but only if you can get those flaps out. Trying to maneuver at 100mph without the flaps is like falling into a vat of syrup and trying to swim around in it. You really have to either be very familiar with the way it flys, and know when you are slow enough, or train yourself to watch your airspeed. It can also be hard to get it that slow sometimes, once you are committed to the fight. It helps (IMO) to cut the throttle while you have a bit of space, get it slow enough, engage the flaps before having to get really down and dirty in it.

2) Learning a good POA for consistent gunnery is difficult because of the high ROF of the guns. They dont have the ballistics of the .50's say, or the 20mm Hispanos. They ARE very lethal inside 300 yards, once you learn where to point them for best effect. Takes time. This also means that while learning, your guns are going to empty faster because they fire so fast. So not only are the newer pilots frustrated by lack of hits, they run out of ammo too fast and become sitting ducks.

Wilbus · « **Reply #63 on:** July 25, 2005, 04:51:32 PM »

Hey KillnU, well, problem with internet and AH is that as soon as you and I are maybe 100-200ms from eachother that is what will happen, the film shows you shooting behind me.

However, what happens on your FE when you shoot (you hit me) is what is really registrered. Unlike FPS games such as Counter Strike where, if you have 200ms delay you have to shoot and hit infront of a moving target (miss on your FE) to actually hit him, sounds complicated I know but it is the way it works.

What you hit on your FE was registrered at my FE.

Was great fun Stang and KillnU I always enjoy fighting against and with you guys!

StarofAfrica, I agree, ammo load and the fast firing 20mm (900rpm per gun so 1800 rpm for those two) is WAY fast, ammo is spent quickly.

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Ki-84 is a superb brawler with it's low speed handling and great climb/acceleration. Further I realy like the fact that, for a brawler, it is quite fast and able to get out from the slow pack when it needs too, e.g. bingo ammo or fuel.

Exactly Karnak! The word Brawler really says it all about it I think.

I agree it will never become a n00b plane, takes too much knowhow to use it right and it's only got 10 seconds of 20mm ammo. Basicly every time I fire my 20's I use 15-30 rounds. A n00b with that rate of fire will be out of ammo before he even knows he had any to begin with.

Karnak · « **Reply #64 on:** July 25, 2005, 04:55:58 PM »

Dang it. Now I really want to take the 84 up for a few fights and I can't because I am at work. I can't even watch Wilbus' films.

About the guns, the two 12.7mm Ho-103s in the cowl are quite capable of killing by themselves. I have killed numerous fighters with just those. The Ki-84 isn't a Spit V, where cannons empty means "Go home".

Wilbus · « **Reply #65 on:** July 25, 2005, 05:00:32 PM »

And we are sitting here posting at the same time Karnak

Yes the 12.7mm actually seem more capable then the 20's sometimes. I usually use the MG's alone some times for the kills I can afford to take more time on. Save the 20's for the really hairy situations.

killnu · « **Reply #66 on:** July 25, 2005, 05:37:08 PM »

Wil, i didnt hit you on my end, was left frustrated and scratching head on how the heck i missed. ive been getting lots of that lately. gonna turn tracers back on and film bullets flyin thru cons...irritating.

Wilbus · « **Reply #67 on:** July 25, 2005, 06:04:41 PM »

OH! That was unusual.

I've seen that too, been surprised when the target went down anyway. I think it may be an effect of the no hit sprites though. you don't always see hit sprites anymore. There will always be a certain ammount of debree though but that is hard to see aswell.

Could be connection though...

StarOfAfrica2 · « **Reply #68 on:** July 25, 2005, 06:09:37 PM »

Remember to take convergence and range into effect when you feel like bullets are going right through the target.

Stang · « **Reply #69 on:** July 25, 2005, 06:37:44 PM »

Killin was in a P38, Star.

Urchin · « **Reply #70 on:** July 25, 2005, 07:56:50 PM »

One thing I've always been curious about but never have seen the answer to is whether the convergence in the P-38 affects bullet drop. Even though the Hizooka and .50 have remarkable flat trajectories, is it possible that setting the convergence to say 650 would cause the bullets to "arc" over targets that are closer than that?

Wilbus · « **Reply #71 on:** July 25, 2005, 07:57:16 PM »

Yup they may very well have went through me on his FE but they sure as hell hit me

Connection to AH overall is FUBAR at the moment, seeing more warps lately then in a long long time. Getting spikes myself from time to time, something I haven't had for severak years.

Karnak · « **Reply #72 on:** July 26, 2005, 12:00:48 AM »

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Originally posted by Urchin
One thing I've always been curious about but never have seen the answer to is whether the convergence in the P-38 affects bullet drop. Even though the Hizooka and .50 have remarkable flat trajectories, is it possible that setting the convergence to say 650 would cause the bullets to "arc" over targets that are closer than that?

This is certainly the case in the Mossie, but i find that arc helpful for making lead shots.

killnu · « **Reply #73 on:** July 26, 2005, 05:50:43 AM »

Wil, there were 2 different times i fired on you. once i hit on your wing...the other was me leading you at about ...think 400, you pulling up in front of me, you was chasing somebody, i was going for cherry...the shot i had is one i shoulda hit, hit thousands of times before, but not that time...i aimed lead on my end, went behind you on your end, registered no hits, no hit sprites, nada.

my convergence in P38 with nose mounted 50s and a 20mm is at 425, i shot at about 400 on my end....dont think convergence is the issue.

wish i had run film that one, instead of one after...could see the difference i guess. bahh next time.
~S~

Wilbus · « **Reply #74 on:** July 26, 2005, 06:21:42 AM »

Rgr Killnu

I've had those too, always frustrating and always thought it was my aim, maybe it is but maybe it is a connection issue aswell.