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« Reply #75 on: July 29, 2005, 08:10:02 PM »
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During Manchurian operation Soviet Army defeated Japanese continental troops (1,500,000 men) loosing only 8500 men. Look at the map and see how far Manchuria and Korea are from main population centers.

We defeated the main Japanese ground force in 2 weeks, while US spent 3 years crawling around some god-forgotten islands. Learn from us, now it's still free.

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Privet,

Do you have a link to that, preferably in russian?

thanks.

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« Reply #76 on: July 29, 2005, 08:20:30 PM »
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Thanks,

Yes, I see that.  Should that scare me? (it does not)


You asked my age and then had nothing to say, guess I don't fit into whatever stereotype you wanted to push me into huh?

Machines having the capability to launch nuclear weapons without human input? Makes my skin crawl.

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« Reply #77 on: July 29, 2005, 08:24:48 PM »
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Doomsday machine in "Dr. Strangelove" is a device that is supposed to destroy a whole planet, a thermonuclear monster like a son of a 65 megaton charge tested over Novaya Zemlya in 1963. (1500km without radio for 3 days due to atmospheric ionisation).

I mean that our missiles will launch at designated targets. First targets are your missile farms in Norht Dakota. Then follow other places. ICBM is an only weapon against enemy ICBMs. If a "dead hand" detector receives a punch from an enemy nuclear warhead - it means that boiling soil into a glass in North Dakota is useless and it will switch to other targets.

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Then we'll have Chinese exploring what's left of Moscow and Washington. But no nuclear winter or other apocalyptic things.


A nuclear exchange between USA and Russia would be the "End of the world"

Any machine that can cause the end of the world is a Doomsday device. And a machine that launches Nukes without a human decision involved is irresponsible and stupid.

But then again you don't provide links to any of the information you post so I doubt "dead hand" switches even ever existed in your country. Just more Soviet Propaghanda.

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« Reply #78 on: July 29, 2005, 08:26:07 PM »
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You asked my age and then had nothing to say, guess I don't fit into whatever stereotype you wanted to push me into huh?

Machines having the capability to launch nuclear weapons without human input? Makes my skin crawl.


I don’t even know how to push stereotype. :-D Your one lines writing style do not match age you said. I would have guessed you were much younger than that. It’s nice to know who I’m talking to and why that person asks proof of everything I say. ;-) I’m not trying to insult you in anyway.
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« Reply #79 on: July 29, 2005, 08:30:54 PM »
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Privet,

Do you have a link to that, preferably in russian?

thanks.


Nevermind ;)

I think I posted a translation of an article from Grand Soviet Encyclopedia about Manchurian operation on this Forum several years ago. It's hard to belive that Soviet Army did what it did. Japanese themselves didn't expect a punch across Gobi desert and Hingan mountain ridge...

Damn! Forgot that Yandex has all Grand Soviet Encyclopedia availible online! here is a link to an original article in Russian.

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« Reply #80 on: July 29, 2005, 08:35:41 PM »
Damn, linky not worky :(

Simply go to yandex.ru, choose "slovari" from a menu below a search form (or simply press on my link) and search for "Ìàíü÷æóðñêàÿ îïåðàöèÿ", then click on a link to a BSE article.

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« Reply #81 on: July 29, 2005, 08:38:02 PM »
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I don’t even know how to push stereotype. :-D Your one lines writing style do not match age you said. I would have guessed you were much younger than that. It’s nice to know who I’m talking to and why that person asks proof of everything I say. ;-) I’m not trying to insult you in anyway.
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lmao 1 line writing style, you judge someone on the number of lines they use? Better pay more attention to what is actually contained in the post instead of how many lines a poster uses.

2nd of all I ask for proof because your 27 stingers in chechneya remark sounds like BS. I am skeptical, I asked for a link, twice I might add, and instead you came back with, "How old are you"
Nice try but when you make accusations out of left field expect someone to ask you for proof. Especially when you try to discredit the person who is asking proof of your accusations by making the insinuation that they are somehow Young and Dumb.

Now, got a link, or just wanna keep living in fantasyland?

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« Reply #82 on: July 29, 2005, 08:39:05 PM »
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Nevermind ;)

I think I posted a translation of an article from Grand Soviet Encyclopedia about Manchurian operation on this Forum several years ago. It's hard to belive that Soviet Army did what it did. Japanese themselves didn't expect a punch across Gobi desert and Hingan mountain ridge...

Damn! Forgot that Yandex has all Grand Soviet Encyclopedia availible online! here is a link to an original article in Russian.


Its not working....just blank page from yandex.

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« Reply #83 on: July 29, 2005, 08:46:00 PM »
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A nuclear exchange between USA and Russia would be the "End of the world"


I have to disagree. Chnese will be still alive and happy with us killing each other. :(

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Any machine that can cause the end of the world is a Doomsday device. And a machine that launches Nukes without a human decision involved is irresponsible and stupid.


Please do me a favour and describe any device that can simulate 300 kg/cm2 (on a certain distance and over certain area, and, preferrably, involving tectonic earth movement) to trigger a launch. 2.5 kg/cm2 is enough to turn me or you into a bag filled with pulp :(

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« Reply #84 on: July 29, 2005, 08:51:46 PM »
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lmao 1 line writing style, you judge someone on the number of lines they use? Better pay more attention to what is actually contained in the post instead of how many lines a poster uses.

2nd of all I ask for proof because your 27 stingers in chechneya remark sounds like BS. I am skeptical, I asked for a link, twice I might add, and instead you came back with, "How old are you"
Nice try but when you make accusations out of left field expect someone to ask you for proof. Especially when you try to discredit the person who is asking proof of your accusations by making the insinuation that they are somehow Young and Dumb.

Now, got a link, or just wanna keep living in fantasyland?

A 27 what what? When did I post that? ;) It was about combat patches as others rephrased. I didn’t write anything about weapons because I did not read about that. I was reading memoirs about attack on Grozniy and there it said that terrorists had medic kits from US. The kits were provided by CiA…or at least that person who wrote so thought.
I do not provide link because A) I don’t have it ATM, B) its in Russian.  
I just wonted to know age, that’s it. Is there anything wrong with  that? For your age it seems you are very mad on Russia and anyone talking positively about it. Please do tell why someone of your age have so many grudges about it?

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« Reply #85 on: July 29, 2005, 08:53:05 PM »
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2nd of all I ask for proof because your 27 stingers in chechneya remark sounds like BS.


That question was adressed to me, not to Russian.

No links here. Only my word that I heard it on "Ekho Moskvy" right-liberal pro-Western radio back in 2000 or something.

As for me - hiding a military criminal and terrorist like Ilyas Akhmadov and giving him a political asylum is enough to show that your Homeland is hostile to me and we are on different sides of barricades in a "war on terror".

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« Reply #86 on: July 29, 2005, 10:15:32 PM »
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I have to disagree. Chnese will be still alive and happy with us killing each other. :(

 

Please do me a favour and describe any device that can simulate 300 kg/cm2 (on a certain distance and over certain area, and, preferrably, involving tectonic earth movement) to trigger a launch. 2.5 kg/cm2 is enough to turn me or you into a bag filled with pulp :(


Ever hear of computer glitches? Malfunctions? Hackors?

What about a meteorite that just happens to hit near the silo?

And like I said I doubt you actually have/had  this system anyway.

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« Reply #87 on: July 29, 2005, 10:26:12 PM »
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A 27 what what? When did I post that? ;) It was about combat patches as others rephrased. I didn’t write anything about weapons because I did not read about that. I was reading memoirs about attack on Grozniy and there it said that terrorists had medic kits from US. The kits were provided by CiA…or at least that person who wrote so thought.
I do not provide link because A) I don’t have it ATM, B) its in Russian.  
I just wonted to know age, that’s it. Is there anything wrong with  that? For your age it seems you are very mad on Russia and anyone talking positively about it. Please do tell why someone of your age have so many grudges about it?


Oh sorry since you were the one asking why I was demanding proof of, (I was asking for proof of the stingers) I figured it was you, going back and looking now I see you said combat packs. So I wasnt talking to you about proof. You dragged yourself into that accusation.

Secondly medical kits are  far far different than weaponry.  Though I doubt we would give any Islamic extremists any aid considering what they did.

Thirdly, thats why links are useful, keep misunderstandings from happening.

Fourthly, link it in Russian, Google will translate web pages. I prefer to read the actual links to the information than take the person who is making such claims at their word. (not to insult you)

On why I dislike Russia its simple....

"According to Russian media, the head of the Russian Federal Nuclear Energy Agency Alexander Rumyantsev will travel to Tehran later this month to sign an agreement to store spent fuel from Bushehr in Russia.

On Thursday, Rumyantsev said the two countries would sign a deal this month allowing Iran to get nuclear fuel from Russia for its reactor in Bushehr."

You want to give highly enriched uranium to Iran. That is unacceptable from a country that my tax dollars go to and then get stolen by your corrupt officials like this one.

The U.S. Justice Department is seeking Adamov's extradition for alleged involvement in fraud and money laundering, Galli said.

Adamov is accused of diverting up to $9 million (7 million euro) that the U.S. Energy Department provided Russia to improve security at its nuclear facilities, The Associated Press quoted Galli as saying.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/05/04/swiss.russian/index.html

I am by no means mad. I am disappointed in your country and your attitude toward what America considers an enemy. Wonder if the chechens could use a few nuclear reactors and how you would feel if we started throwing Highly Enriched Uranium their way. I bet your attitude about sharing nuclear technology would shift really quick.

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« Reply #88 on: July 29, 2005, 10:31:23 PM »
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That question was adressed to me, not to Russian.

No links here. Only my word that I heard it on "Ekho Moskvy" right-liberal pro-Western radio back in 2000 or something.

As for me - hiding a military criminal and terrorist like Ilyas Akhmadov and giving him a political asylum is enough to show that your Homeland is hostile to me and we are on different sides of barricades in a "war on terror".


Like I said complete BS on the stingers.

As for Akhamdov perhaps you can tell me what he did? He appears from what I read just to be the chechens "spokesman". What did he do?

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« Reply #89 on: July 29, 2005, 10:37:18 PM »
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Fourthly, link it in Russian, Google will translate web pages. I prefer to read the actual links to the information than take the person who is making such claims at their word. (not to insult you)


You sound like a were-fox from last Pelevin's novell with her 4-5 "internal voices" :D

Try translating this: 702kg with google :D