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Offline Flayed1

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Might want to take a new look at ENY
« Reply #75 on: August 12, 2005, 03:10:19 AM »
ENY limiter?? We have an Eny limiter?? Ohhh wait I'm bish nvrmind. :)

  No seriously though I liked it when it was first implemented, Never befor had I seen the great F6F and F4U missions that I saw when it was first put into the game and I haven't seen any after they started tweeking it.
  I personally don't have a problem with it even on the few rare ocations that bish did get hit with it I usually fly a YAK or A6M anyway although once I couln't use a tiger or a B24 but even that wasnt that bad.      seems like we have many players that don't like a challenge.
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« Reply #76 on: August 12, 2005, 03:42:18 AM »
No, I mean in the game.  Do you enjoy fighting other people in the game?

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« Reply #77 on: August 12, 2005, 04:15:02 AM »
Actually, switching sides as a squad every once in a while is a good thing. Making new freinds, meeting new people. Shows yer not an anti-social retard inhibited by a virtual chess piece. It also on occasion can put old enmities on the back burner. That said, the Assassins haven't been a viable squad in over 2 years, so its no biggie if we switched or not.

Any squad that says "We are a (insert chess piece) squad and will NEVAR switch!" are deluded to the point of uselessness and should go find/buy a life. Its time to quit AH and get a tenacious grasp on reality...

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« Reply #78 on: August 12, 2005, 04:55:17 AM »
I think I'll just move LTAR to the Bishops for a spell that will even it out :aok :D :p

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« Reply #79 on: August 12, 2005, 12:19:02 PM »
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Guess you'll be a Bish on a regular basis then.
Want us to reserve you a place by the table?  :)


Yessir, you might as well :).

Er, not like I'll be a ton of help mind you. But I do make for good cannon fodder, so that should take a little heat off the guys that can actually shoot stuff down.
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« Reply #80 on: August 12, 2005, 02:28:26 PM »
I just used the La7 as a low eny reference. I personally don't find the plane offensive at all, simply the mob tactics employed by many of its pilots. The most used planes account for a majority of my kills, so I'm entirely okay with this. The only point you keep making, or trying to make, is that you pays your money and you flies your plane. The thing you don't seem to grasp is that you have the ENY only because certain people refuse to do anything to improve the overall gameplay, and stick with the hordes, citing real war, denial of resources, overwhelming force, etc. Here's HiTech's response to that stupid rationale from another thread.

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And please do not tell me AH is war, because it is not, it is a War game. And games are ment to be fun and fair. While war is not ment to be either fair or fun.


No, I didn't quit when there was no ENY. I remember seeing something like 30 rooks on during peak hours, due to the miserable numerical imbalance. I imagine HT lost a lot of money over that in the past, and I imagine he was thinking of that when ENY was limited. Your 15 bucks gets you unlimited access to the arenas for a month. It is not a carte blanche to fly whatever and play however you want. It's close, but the quality of gameplay experienced by all his other customers is just as important. All you have to do is drag your squad to the low numbers side and you can fly what you want as often as you want. That's a brilliant rationale for keeping the newbs grounded. " too bad if you don't have perks". Well, with perks replacing adjusted ENY, even more people get screwed, and HT would likely lose more customers.

My idea of quality gameplay is that everyone has a chance at a fair fight. No porking, no hordes, just fighting. I look for fights where I'm outnumbered. It's not difficult with guys like you around. If the ENY limit is a problem for you, you're never outnumbered.

It's easy to say "I'd deal with being outnumbered", but the fact that you won't leave the numerically superior side says it all.
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« Reply #81 on: August 12, 2005, 03:05:34 PM »
ENY, perks their not the answer. Sure some people will switch sides because they can't fly their beloved Pony but most don't. Were I see the problem and I have no idea how to correct it isn't from people not switching sides its from people switching to the countries with the #s. Sit in the tower when one side is getting rolled, i.e. Bish,  and bring up the roster. You can watch folks logon (bish #s up by 2-3) and then see them switch sides, (bish #s down by 2-3) I have even sorted by country and seen players log on as Bish and immediatly switch to Rooks. This is the whole crux of the issue. There are a lot of players that seem to only want to fly for the side with a numerical superiority. It can't be the whopping 25 perkies they get for the reset. It has to be that they just don't feel they can be affective if they are even or out numbered.

No offense ment to you Rooks out there but I've been fighting Rooks a lot lately and you do seem to have a lot of pilots who will not engage is a serious fight. They will always attack with alt/speed, extend 1-2k or more and return with alt. It is very seldom that I encounter a Rook who will turn and fight me. When he does I know I'm in for it because this guy is usually a good stick. In the last week I can count maybe 3 times when I was individually beaten by a Rook pilot. 97% of the time I get killed fighting Rooks is by getting picked while on the six of another Rook. Not saying that any of these tactics are wrong, just saying that if these are your main tactics it is no wonder you guys always fly with the numbers. Again, this is not ALL Rooks just a large % of those I encounter.

Again, no offense to you Rooks but fighting Nits lately is just far more enjoyable. Just seems a lot more Nits will mix it up after the merge and actually try to win the fight on their skill instead of looking for the easy pick.

All this is JMO, I have no idea how to fix it. I am not at all for forcing anything on anyone in this game. We pay we should be aloud to play as we want.

I think one problem is that we Bish as a country don't seem to be as good at the Land Grab game as the Rooks & Nits are and we get behind early in the maps and that contributes to this situation. That's something only we Bish can rectify.

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« Reply #82 on: August 12, 2005, 03:18:25 PM »
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I think one problem is that we Bish as a country don't seem to be as good at the Land Grab game as the Rooks & Nits are and we get behind early in the maps and that contributes to this situation. That's something only we Bish can rectify.


Please tell me you're joking...:eek:

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« Reply #83 on: August 12, 2005, 03:29:31 PM »
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Again, no offense to you Rooks but fighting Nits lately is just far more enjoyable. Just seems a lot more Nits will mix it up after the merge and actually try to win the fight on their skill instead of looking for the easy pick.



Keep in mind, anyone who's played the game a few months figures out the strengths and weaknesses of each plane. If someone is in a speed ride and you're in a SpitV and they have half a  brain they're not going to get into a close quarters knife fight with you. They're going to keep you at arms length and pick you apart. If I had a dollar for every person I've heard in my virtual flying career flying a Spit or a Niki begging on open channel for someone to be 'brave' enough to stall-fight with them I'd be a wealthy man.

As a general rule people are going to try like hell to NOT play to the strengths of your plane and try TO make YOU fly to the strengths of their own plane. If you're flying a ride that is the best at one or several things, ie: Lgay7, SPitV, Niki, Pony, don't expect people to treat you fairly, you've already secured an advantage in plane, they're going to make damn sure to secure some other advantages over you of their own. I'm not sure if others do this but I do... If I see from the merge that a person is just going to pull for HO's all bets are off, I'm not going to give him the chance, I will do whatever has to be done to deny him the HO and make sure myself or someone else wacks him. I do the same thing to high Spits and Niki's and any Lgay7, they get the best rides in the game, I get to use my altitude, speed and friends to give them an express trip to the tower. It's just the street rules of air combat.

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« Reply #84 on: August 12, 2005, 03:33:00 PM »
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Please tell me you're joking...:eek:

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No, I'm not. Don't get me wrong there are some Bish squads that are very good at taking bases but there are others that are, well, totally incompetent at it. I cant tell you how many times I've been at a base attempted to be captured by some Bish squads and see the VH up and down several times, town up and down several times, FHs up and down several times and hours go by and the base still isn't captured. I've seen troops dropped on a town that was still up. Troops dropped while a enemy GV in in the town. A base and town flattened and there are no troop anywhere near the field. Players chase an LA7 miles from the field and leave their CAP unattended. Now I haven't flown much with the other sides but when I watch the Kits or Rooks cut a swath through our territory in the 3 hours I have to fly most nights I can't attribute it all to having greater #s, Some of those nights the sides were fairly even.

My squad can take a moderatly defended base in 15-20 minutes if all goes well. We have worked with other Bish squads and done the same yet I see the above every night in the MA.

Maybe it's the same in the other countries, I don't know. Just seems that it isn't to me.

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« Reply #85 on: August 12, 2005, 03:36:11 PM »
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No, I'm not. Don't get me wrong there are some Bish squads that are very good at taking bases but there are others that are, well, totally incompetent at it. I cant tell you how many times I've been at a base attempted to be captured by some Bish squads and see the VH up and down several times, town up and down several times, FHs up and down several times and hours go by and the base still isn't captured. I've seen troops dropped on a town that was still up. Troops dropped while a enemy GV in in the town. A base and town flattened and there are no troop anywhere near the field. Players chase an LA7 miles from the field and leave their CAP unattended. Now I haven't flown much with the other sides but when I watch the Kits or Rooks cut a swath through our territory in the 3 hours I have to fly most nights I can't attribute it all to having greater #s, Some of those nights the sides were fairly even.

My squad can take a moderatly defended base in 15-20 minutes if all goes well. We have worked with other Bish squads and done the same yet I see the above every night in the MA.

Maybe it's the same in the other countries, I don't know. Just seems that it isn't to me.


I take it you've only ever played for Bish for any appreciable length of time? You definately should come Rooks. It's a running joke on Rooks, someone will ask if ack or town is down at a CAP'd field. The inevitable reply is, "Of course not! We're Rooks". If you think Rooks are motivated by base camptures you're cwazy. The only thing Rooks really care about collectively is furballing. We'll capture a base only once all the furballing and vulching has dried up. To get a Rooks fighter pilot to carry an egg to a base requires a large blunt object or a colt .45 at his head. Conversely, I see almost every Bish fighter, even Lgay7s, Niki's and SPits coming heavy to Rook bases.

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« Reply #86 on: August 12, 2005, 03:40:56 PM »
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Keep in mind, anyone who's played the game a few months figures out the strengths and weaknesses of each plane. ....
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Agreed, But that's not exactly what I ment. I got into a real good fight with a Nit P51 the other night in my Ki84. We both fought the fight using the strength of our aircraft. He did not hit-n-run and extend out 2-3k he used good energy tactics and speed in the vertical on me. He refused to bite on the spiral climb which I usually get poor to average pony pilots to go for. He wore me down and took away my best weapons and won the fight. We were never more that 1.5k apart in distance.

I can respect a pilot using his planes strengths but when you are getting BnZd by a Spit V thats just timidity. Most of those guys end up getting killed or I get picked trying.

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« Reply #87 on: August 12, 2005, 03:49:34 PM »
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Agreed, But that's not exactly what I ment. I got into a real good fight with a Nit P51 the other night in my Ki84. We both fought the fight using the strength of our aircraft. He did not hit-n-run and extend out 2-3k he used good energy tactics and speed in the vertical on me. He refused to bite on the spiral climb which I usually get poor to average pony pilots to go for. He wore me down and took away my best weapons and won the fight. We were never more that 1.5k apart in distance.

I can respect a pilot using his planes strengths but when you are getting BnZd by a Spit V thats just timidity. Most of those guys end up getting killed or I get picked trying.


Keep in mind the MA is not just a hermetically sealed fight between you and one other plane you may want to pick out. Often someone will not want to get deeply embroiled in a fight, risking losing all of his altitude and E if there are other enemies around that he expects will pounce him.

I can speak for myself, being one of the more tactically minded fighter pilots. I do not vulch, all of my kills are air to air, I always take-off with the goal of 5 kills, kills I must get the old fashioned way. I am not going to blow 10 minutes of alting and hutning for 1 kill with 5 other enemy flying around waiting for me to expose a weakness to pounce. Not many good pilots are going to put all of their eggs in one basket as it were, and risk all the time they've invested on one plane. One on one's in the MA where both sides can be reasonably sure they will not suffer any interlopers are exceedingly rare. Even more rare is if those 1 Vs. 1's start off on equal terms. If the quality of your flying enjoyment is derived from how many people are going to engage your Ki-84 in single combat, fairly, prepare yourself for huge disappointment. There is nothing fair about the MA.

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« Reply #88 on: August 12, 2005, 03:49:44 PM »
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I take it you've only ever played for Bish for any appreciable length of time? You definately should come Rooks. It's a running joke on Rooks, someone will ask if ack or town is down at a CAP'd field. The inevitable reply is, "Of course not! We're Rooks". If you think Rooks are motivated by base camptures you're cwazy. The only thing Rooks really care about collectively is furballing. We'll capture a base only once all the furballing and vulching has dried up. To get a Rooks fighter pilot to carry an egg to a base requires a large blunt object or a colt .45 at his head. Conversely, I see almost every Bish fighter, even Lgay7s, Niki's and SPits coming heavy to Rook bases.

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No, I started Rook but switched to Bish because Bish had lower numbers and I could not find a fight where it wasn't 5 rooks on 2 enemy so I went Bish, joined 1 Bish squad, quit and then joined the Unforgiven. I did fly knite in the interval between squads but I had met some good friends on Bish and went back.

What your saying may well be true but come over to the Bish side and it won't seems that way. When the bases are falling like 10 pins and it's Rooks that are doing the taking. For furballer I do see an aweful lot of porking going on. Rooks were porking like mad last night.

I don't doubt you see them comming heavy. Question is can they do anything with them when they get there. Even it they do capture the base most likely all the FHs are down, troops are porked, Ord is porked, VH is down so there is no real way to defend it so they leave.

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« Reply #89 on: August 12, 2005, 03:59:44 PM »
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Keep in mind the MA is not just a hermetically sealed fight between you and one other plane you may want to pick out. Often someone will not want to get deeply embroiled in a fight, risking losing all of his altitude and E if there are other enemies around that he expects will pounce him. .....

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Again I agree with you. I am not looking for that 1 on 1 environment. I don't have a problem with someone disengaging because the situation warrents it. Believe me I do it too.

BUT

When it's 15-20 on 4 and that Spit pilot will not engage you unless he can dive on your 6 while you are engaged with another enemy well, that's just lame in my book. Is it part of the game? Should I be watching out for him? You betcha, but I still think it's lame.