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Offline Raider179

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« on: August 13, 2005, 07:13:07 PM »
ok the lady outside of the Crawford Ranch, Will bush talk to her again already. I know he already did, but it at least give her a chance at closure in her son's death. I also saw that Pro-Bush supporters have shown up there. There have been several altercations between the Pro/anti war/bush demonstrators outside of his ranch. I would have no problems but this is a greiving mother who lost a son in Iraq so where is the compassion??? Sad state of affairs...

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« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2005, 07:20:01 PM »
What are you talking about?
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« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2005, 08:07:41 PM »
THe lady who's son died a year ago in Iraw.  She is an anti-war activist now, so Bush won't talk to her.  

He did talk to her already though, last year.

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« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2005, 08:13:26 PM »
Why should he talk to her.  The guy is taking a break.  Running the country is "hard work", he needs his vacation.

I personally don't see a need to talk to her.  While I feel for her I don't agree with her position that ALL the troops need to be pulled out now.

Against the war or not we have a responsibility in Iraq to fix it.

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« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2005, 08:35:26 PM »
Have her arrested by the guys in the black helicopters and let her dissapear into a Gitmo dungeon.   :)

Seriously, I dont think he can start a precedent of answering to each parent of a service member wounded or killed.

Besides, he has already talked with her once before, what does she want, an office next to his every time she wants to chat?  I think since he as met with her once already, she might just be after publicity this time.

not that I dont pity the loss she suffered, but he cant be held hostage to her.
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« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2005, 09:16:05 PM »
He did send several people out to talk to her but it did not seem there was anything to discuss.

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« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2005, 10:50:23 PM »
Hi Raider,

I hope you will believe me when I say that I have enormous amounts of compassion and respect for military families, and unfortunately I too know and have grieved with people who have lost loved ones in Iraq. However, this particular incident has become politics, pure and simple.

For instance, as you noted the President originally met with Sheehan at the White House a couple of months after the death of her son. In an article published 06/24/2004 and available here
the Sheehan family stated the following (it's worth reading carefully):
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"Surreal soon seemed like an understatement, as the Sheehans - one of 17 families who met Thursday with Bush - were whisked in a matter of days to the Army post and given the VIP treatment from the military. But as their meeting with the president approached, the family was faced with a dilemma as to what to say when faced with Casey's commander-in-chief.

"We haven't been happy with the way the war has been handled," Cindy said. "The president has changed his reasons for being over there every time a reason is proven false or an objective reached."

The 10 minutes of face time with the president could have given the family a chance to vent their frustrations or ask Bush some of the difficult questions they have been asking themselves, such as whether Casey's sacrifice would make the world a safer place.

But in the end, the family decided against such talk, deferring to how they believed Casey would have wanted them to act. In addition, Pat noted that Bush wasn't stumping for votes or trying to gain a political edge for the upcoming election.

"We have a lot of respect for the office of the president, and I have a new respect for him because he was sincere and he didn't have to take the time to meet with us," Pat said.

Sincerity was something Cindy had hoped to find in the meeting. Shortly after Casey died, Bush sent the family a form letter expressing his condolences, and Cindy said she felt it was an impersonal gesture.

"I now know he's sincere about wanting freedom for the Iraqis," Cindy said after their meeting. "I know he's sorry and feels some pain for our loss. And I know he's a man of faith."

The meeting didn't last long, but in their time with Bush, Cindy spoke about Casey and asked the president to make her son's sacrifice count for something. They also spoke of their faith.

While meeting with Bush, as well as Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona, was an honor, it was almost a tangent benefit of the trip. The Sheehans said they enjoyed meeting the other families of fallen soldiers, sharing stories, contact information, grief and support.

For some, grief was still visceral and raw, while for others it had melted into the background of their lives, the pain as common as breathing. Cindy said she saw her reflection in the troubled eyes of each.

"It's hard to lose a son," she said. "But we (all) lost a son in the Iraqi war."

The trip had one benefit that none of the Sheehans expected.

For a moment, life returned to the way it was before Casey died. They laughed, joked and bickered playfully as they briefly toured Seattle.

For the first time in 11 weeks, they felt whole again.

"That was the gift the president gave us, the gift of happiness, of being together," Cindy said. "

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Elsewhere, it has been confirmed that her son's politics and her own as well as their views of the war have always differed. Her son clearly believed in the Iraq effort and volunteered for it. In fact her son, Casey legitimately deserves considerable respect. Casey voluntarily re-enlisted in the Army after his first hitch was up, earned a Bronze Star, and as a mechanic was not expected to see combat but volunteered to join a rapid rescue team being formed to get a convoy of soldiers from his unit out of trouble in Sadr City (that action being the one in which he died).

One has only to contrast that with some of her recent statements including railing against neo-cons and her statements to the effect that "he knew it the war was wrong the whole family knew, etc" which is currently being denied by the rest of the Sheehan family:

"The Sheehan Family lost our beloved Casey in the Iraq War and we have been silently, respectfully grieving. We do not agree with the political motivations and publicity tactics of Cindy Sheehan. She now appears to be promoting her own personal agenda and notoriety at the the expense of her son’s good name and reputation. The rest of the Sheehan Family supports the troops, our country, and our President, silently, with prayer and respect."

Sincerely,

Casey Sheehan’s grandparents, aunts, uncles and numerous cousins.
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Cindy, was and always has been a left-winger, unfortunately she is now being actively exploited by people like Michael Moore, which is bad enough, what I find intolerable is that she is using the death of her son in such a blatantly political manner, and probably not one that he himself would have appreciated or approved of.

It would be analogous to my parents forming a group to protest against Christian missions in Muslim countries if I were killed while serving as a missionary out there.

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« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2005, 12:10:24 AM »
Excellant post Seagoon, thank you.  You confirmed what I suspected, political motivation rather than grieving mother.

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« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2005, 12:31:01 AM »
Excellent post?

That was BS. In like a hundred different ways.

Listen, I'm lookin' goofy at this Sheehan chick for thinkin' that she can demand face time with the President. But whatever. Almost pales in comparison to the crap you folks are trying to throw at the situation.

BVVSHHHTTTSHHTTTTTZZZZSHAPSHA PSSSS..... Noise.

It turns out - she hit a nerve. Who woulda guessed.

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« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2005, 12:51:22 AM »
LOL, some of you are too much. A mother loses her son and it's all politics now? People go through different stages when coping with the loss of a loved one.
Something like this order:
Denial, sadness, anger, acceptance. She's probably in the anger stage wanting her answers. Doesn't matter who the President is or what party affiliation the powers that be that run the country, parents will usually want answers to those things that puzzle them about the death of their son/daughter.
A parent shouldn't outlive their children. Gotta be the worst nightmare a parent goes through.

Political cause? Naw, just a parent grieving the loss of her child.
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« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2005, 01:00:45 AM »
Yeah, her opinions and grief are meaningless because she is not a republican. :rolleyes:
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« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2005, 01:03:54 AM »
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Originally posted by SaburoS
A parent shouldn't outlive their children. Gotta be the worst nightmare a parent goes through.


If you  lose your spouse, you're called a widow. If you lose your parents, you're called an orphan.

If you lose your son or daughter.... well, there isn't a name for that. Some things are too horrendous to name.

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« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2005, 01:28:38 AM »
Agreed. it is terrible to loose a child and that she lost hers. AndI can understand her greif and the process. I can imagine nothing worse.
But the president cant just up and meet with every greiving parent whenever they want a meeting with him
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« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2005, 01:41:22 AM »
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But the president cant just up and meet with every greiving parent whenever they want a meeting with him


Yeah, that would kind of open the floodgates to "have" to meet every parent that demands it. I don't know of any President that would have that kind of courage and patience.
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« Reply #14 on: August 14, 2005, 07:33:58 AM »
Yeah, the President should definitly get into the "tail wagging the dog" scenario.

Lefties just love to find some way to try and paint Bush in a bad light.

She had her face time, and that is something the overwhelming majority of deceased servicemens parents never get.  I think now she has recovered and is trying to use her son's death in a pathetic way to advance her previously existing political agenda.  

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