Just Talk to Her Already

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Dago
Shes a nutbag

Anti-war protestor Cindy Sheehan, whose soldier son Casey was killed in Iraq, is calling for Bush's "impeachment," and for Israel to get out of Palestine!

"You get America out of Iraq and Israel out of Palestine and you'll stop the terrorism," Sheehan declares.
 

yea raider it really sounds like the dowding st memo got her going.  If that's the case it must have really thrown her off her rocker.  Losing a son is tough and I really don't think this woman is doing too well.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Raider179
Sorry but I only see 1 greiving parent demanding a meeting. And maybe if the President knows he is going to have to face to face explain himself to people whose son's and daughter's got killed based on his decisions, maybe he will be a little more selective in his decisions and not just go off playing Cowboy in Texas for weeks at a time.

this is true. but to do so would set a pecident and next thing other families would want the same. then more and more.
After all if you did it for her. then why not me, or you, or anyone else?

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Hawklore
Pres. Bush should talk to her. def.

Comfort her...

I mean who wouldn't?

If I had already met with her once.

ME

[RTSigma]

She got her chance to meet Bush and according to reports, was satisfied with the visit.

Her son volunteered up and down. His choice. He knew the price and served his country.

Mrs. Sheehan has kids at home to take care of, but would rather go camping and try and get a 2nd visit, probably to either complain again or (I wouldn't be surprised) attack the President.


I give it about 2 weeks until no one cares because to me shes just one protestor and has a tent.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by Raider179
ok the lady outside of the Crawford Ranch, Will bush talk to her again already. I know he already did, but it at least give her a chance at closure in her son's death. I also saw that Pro-Bush supporters have shown up there. There have been several altercations between the Pro/anti war/bush demonstrators outside of his ranch. I would have no problems but this is a greiving mother who lost a son in Iraq so where is the compassion??? Sad state of affairs...

Explain why she is so very special she should get a SECOND meeting with Bush, unlike OTHER families who got ONE visit and were satisfied.

Yes, it is terribly sad that she lost her son. No one denies that. Nor is anyone trying to deny her compassion. Or closure.

She does not want "closure" . She does not want "compassion". She wants to make a spectacle of herself.

She has become a "poster child" for the left. Nothing more, nothing less.

She is no longer just a "grieving mother" deserving of compassion. She is now an anti war protester who has become a "cause'' for the left. She does not want to talk with the President, she wants to scream at him and have the "Press" present to record the spectacle.

Meeting with her would serve few purposes, none of which are worthwhile. She's looking to make a fool of herself, and try to drag the President into it with her. The left is desperately hoping to get some sort of "soundbite" out of it they can try to use against Bush. She got no "closure" from the 1st visit, she'll get none from the second.

The Plame "scandal" has nothing to do with this. Of course, the left, and their legions of mindless minions would like to use this little episode to try to revive the Plame "scandal". The "Dowding Street Memo" has nothing to do with it either. You're reaching, and grasping at straws.

The whole thing is a sort of sad sick joke, and Cindy Sheehan appears to be the butt of that joke. Worse yet is the willingness of the left to capitalize on it and use the woman to their best advantage. Anyone who is in on it with the left is just as sad and sick as they are for exploiting this obviously disturbed  woman for their political purposes. As is anyone who supports them in it.

[SaburoS]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Or time.
-snip

Actually I meant that when I said patience.
What do they tell the parent, "Sorry, but your hour is up. Have a good day?"
There aren't many leaders that would take the trouble to meet a parent that's going to be asking pointed, accusary questions.
Fact is most leaders don't really know why, just that their advisors said to. Rare for a leader to really know everything that's going on.
The worst thing a leader can tell a parent is that he didn't know, or give a soundbite of an answer.
BTW, I'm not pointing the finger at Bush. I'm talking in generalities here.

[Gunslinger]

Liberals, your fearless leader:

On Sunday, Democratic National Committee chairman Howard Dean (search) said Bush should meet with Sheehan.

"Because the president sent her son to Iraq, her son lost his life. I think the president should meet with any parent who has sacrificed their son or daughter for the defense of the United States of America," Dean told a Sunday morning network talk show.

YYYEEEEEAEAAAAARRRRRRGGGGHHHH HHH!

[tapakeg]

This is simple.

Forget democrat, liberal, republican, conservative................. .

She is going against her dead son's beliefs and using his name to promote her own beliefs.

that's it.

[LePaul]

Pretty much sums it up.

Last year she met with Bush, came out saying she was impressed and had a good conversation with him

A year later, she feels the need to be the center of attention...which she's getting...in order to talk to him again now that she's changed her mind.

She needs grief counseling or something.  Blasting the President and stalking him isnt.

[Holden McGroin]

"Because the president sent her son to Iraq, her son lost his life. I think the president should meet with any parent who has sacrificed their son or daughter for the defense of the United States of America," Dean told a Sunday morning network talk show.

Bush did meet with her, she's asking for a second meeting.

60 years ago, a similar situation was handled like this:

"Dear Mrs. Sullivan:

The knowledge that your five gallant sons are missing in action, against the enemy, inspired me to write you this personal message. I realize full well there is little I can say to assuage your grief.

As the Commander in Chief of the Army and the Navy, I want you to know that the entire nation shares your sorrow. I offer you the condolence and gratitude of our country. We, who remain to carry on the fight, must maintain the spirit in the knowledge that such sacrifice is not in vain. The Navy Department has informed me of the expressed desire of your sons; George Thomas, Francis Henry, Joseph Eugene, Madison Abel, and Albert Leo, to serve on the same ship. I am sure, that we all take pride in the knowledge that they fought side by side. As one of your sons wrote, `We will make a team together that can't be beat.' It is
this spirit which in the end must triumph.

Last March, you, Mrs. Sullivan, were designated to sponsor a ship of the Navy in recognition of your patriotism and that of your sons. I am to understand that you are, now, even more determined to carry on as sponsorer. This evidence of unselfish-
ness and courage serves as a real inspiration for me, as I am sure it will for all Americans. Such acts of fate and fortitude in the face of tragedy convince me of the indomitable spirit and will of our people.

I send you my deepest sympathy in your hour of trial and pray that in Almighty God you will find a comfort and help that only He can bring.

Very sincerely yours,

Franklin D. Roosevelt

As far as I can tell, FDR did not meet personally with Mrs. Sullivan, but she showed up for many war bond drives and such to support the decision of her sons to serve the country in time of war.

[Eagler]

Originally posted by Raider179
ok the lady outside of the Crawford Ranch, Will bush talk to her again already. ...Sad state of affairs...

he can't , there would be hundred more relatives with lostsons and daughters at the gate the next day

see the son looking down wishing his mom would stop embarassing his ultimate sacrifice with her misplaced grief

very sad in many ways...

[Simaril]

Originally posted by Holden McGroin
snip...

60 years ago, a similar situation was handled like this:

...snip

And 80 years before that:

Executive Mansion,
Washington,
November 21, 1864.

Mrs. Bixby,
Boston, Massachusetts:

DEAR MADAM: I have been shown in the files of the War Department a statement of the Adjutant-General of Massachusetts that you are the mother of five sons who have died gloriously on the field of battle. I feel how weak and fruitless must be any words of mine which should attempt to beguile you from the grief of a loss so overwhelming. But I cannot refrain from tendering to you the consolation that may be found in the thanks of the Republic they died to save. I pray that our Heavenly Father may assuage the anguish of your bereavement, and leave you only the cherished memory of the loved and lost, and the solemn pride that must be yours to have laid so costly a sacrifice upon the altar of freedom.

Yours very sincerely and respectfully,

Abraham Lincoln.

For this situation, I dont think anything can top Tapakeg's comment though -- and I'm not sure if there's another perspective that could trump his insight.

[Raider179]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
this is true. but to do so would set a pecident and next thing other families would want the same. then more and more.
After all if you did it for her. then why not me, or you, or anyone else?

He could simply say because of the unique or extenuating circumstances regarding her loss he was willing to comfort her again. I think it would show compassion on his part, no matter what the outcome.

The lady is torn up bad over her son, that much is obvious. But if another meeting with the Pres. will give her some closure and he is unwilling to do it, thats not a leader to me. A leader takes criticism and deals with it. He doesn't say "well she's entitled to her opinion, I have heard her opinion". That is not what you say to someone whose son you sent off to Iraq and he died. You are supposed to show some level of compassion and sorrow. I see none of that from Bush. He seems more concerned with fighting off the "political bs" this has turned into, instead of putting that all aside and letting this lady chew him out for 5 minutes.

[Raider179]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
yea raider it really sounds like the dowding st memo got her going.  If that's the case it must have really thrown her off her rocker.  Losing a son is tough and I really don't think this woman is doing too well.

You do of course know she testified at the Downing Street Hearings that were held, but of course you knew that right?

Cindy Sheehan's Speech At The DSM Hearings

My Testimony for the Downing Street Memo Hearings
By Cindy Sheehan
Congressman Conyers and all, it is an honor to be here to testify about the effect that the revelations of the Downing Street Memo has had on me and my family. It is an honor that I wish never had to happen. I believe that not any of us should be gathered here today for this reason: as the result of an invasion/occupation that never should have occured.

My son, Spc Casey Austin Sheehan, was KIA in Sadr City Baghdad on 04/04/04. He was in Iraq for only 2 weeks before L. Paul Bremer inflamed the Shi’ite Militia into a rebellion which resulted in the deaths of Casey and 6 other brave soldiers who were tragically killed in an ambush. Bill Mitchell, the father of Sgt. Mike Mitchell who was one of the other soldiers killed that awful day is with us here. This is a picture of Casey when he was 7 months old. It's an enlargement of a picture he carried in his wallet until the day he was killed. He loved this picture of himself. It was returned to us with his personal effects from Iraq. He always sucked on those two fingers. When he was born, he had a flat face from passing through the birth canal and we called him "Edward G" short for Edward G. Robinson. How many of you have seen your child in his/her premature coffin? It is a shocking and very painful sight. The most heartbreaking aspect of seeing Casey lying in his casket for me, was that his face was flat again because he had no muscle tone. He looked like he did when he was a baby laying in his bassinette. The most tragic irony is that if the Downing Street Memo proves to be true, Casey and thousands of people should still be alive.

I believed before our leaders invaded Iraq in March, 2003, and I am even more convinced now, that this aggression on Iraq was based on a lie of historic proportions and was blatantly unnecessary. The so-called Downing Street Memo dated 23 July, 2003 only confirms what I already suspected: the leadership of this country rushed us into an illegal invasion of another sovereign country on prefabricated and cherry picked intelligence. Iraq was no threat to the United States of America and the devastating sanctions and bombing raids against Iraq were working. As a matter of fact, in interviews in 1999 with respected journalist, and long time Bush family friend, David Herskowitz, then Governor George Bush stated: ‘One of the keys to being seen as a great leader is to be seen as a commander-in-chief. My father had all this political capital built up when he drove the Iraqis out of Kuwait and he wasted it. If I have a chance to invade….if I had that much capital, I’m not going to waste it. I’m going to get everything passed that I want to get passed and I’m going to have a successful presidency.” It looks like George Bush was ready to lead this country into an avoidable war even before he became president.

But of course your right, it had nothing to do with Downing street

[Raider179]

Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Explain why she is so very special she should get a SECOND meeting with Bush, unlike OTHER families who got ONE visit and were satisfied.

Yes, it is terribly sad that she lost her son. No one denies that. Nor is anyone trying to deny her compassion. Or closure.

She does not want "closure" . She does not want "compassion". She wants to make a spectacle of herself.

She has become a "poster child" for the left. Nothing more, nothing less.

She is no longer just a "grieving mother" deserving of compassion. She is now an anti war protester who has become a "cause'' for the left. She does not want to talk with the President, she wants to scream at him and have the "Press" present to record the spectacle.

Meeting with her would serve few purposes, none of which are worthwhile. She's looking to make a fool of herself, and try to drag the President into it with her. The left is desperately hoping to get some sort of "soundbite" out of it they can try to use against Bush. She got no "closure" from the 1st visit, she'll get none from the second.

The Plame "scandal" has nothing to do with this. Of course, the left, and their legions of mindless minions would like to use this little episode to try to revive the Plame "scandal". The "Dowding Street Memo" has nothing to do with it either. You're reaching, and grasping at straws.

The whole thing is a sort of sad sick joke, and Cindy Sheehan appears to be the butt of that joke. Worse yet is the willingness of the left to capitalize on it and use the woman to their best advantage. Anyone who is in on it with the left is just as sad and sick as they are for exploiting this obviously disturbed  woman for their political purposes. As is anyone who supports them in it.

1)Because she asked for it, and then when denied, she decided to stand outside of Crawford until he saw her. It would help her greiving process, which seems to just go right over some of you.

2)Her son was killed, she and her husband split up and yeah I would say she is probably pretty vulnerable to exploitation. But if it helps her find closure then so be it. Small price to pay.

3)So would you be in favor of a "private meeting"? no camera's? Because that is what I would expect. If in fact she wanted camera's there I might shift my position on the subject. But so far that is only your guess and not actual info.

4)How you can possibly say that woman is "no longer deserving of compassion" is beyond me. Aren't we supposed to have compassion for all people, much less a woman whose son died defending OUR country? She has hurt no one and only spoken her mind.

5)It's about time to admit Iraq is screwed. We broke it and we can't fix it. They are not gonna have any kind of stable government and Saddam had no WMD. This is why Bush can't face her, because his "goals" are no longer acheivable, and he has nothing he can say now.