ENY is CARP

[Karnak]

Originally posted by MadSquirrel
I have seen the "I like ENY cause it works for me" posts.  But am still looking for the "Lets find something that works for everyone" posts.

E.g. you are looking for something that doesn't affect you personally so you can keep on ganging with your horde.

It isn't a solution if it doesn't cause discomfort to those in the horde.

[MadSquirrel]

More like 3 roads to the same destination.  Because we have more people, you say we should take the roughest road.  I say we should all take the same surface road, just make ours longer. LOL

We are all looking for an enriching game.  Changing Chess Pieces isn't the issue in my case.  It is the people that I play along side.  And I think you missed my point as far as the "Changing sides".  It has nothing to do with the squad.  The squad was brought up because the squad is a unit, not an individual. It has to do with friendship and loyalty each night.  If when I come on, sides are even, and then get uneven, are you telling me I should move to the lowest numbered side?  Should I check each hour to find out who needs more people and abandon what we have done up till that point.  

Having to capture a base with more "Kiddies" would represent the other side having more people.  Considering when the sides are unbalanced, the "Pork Patrol" go out in force and nuke everything.  And it is a fact that I can fly a goon NOE, never braking DAR, WAY out into the middle of nowhere and one plane from two bases away will fly directly to the goon.  This is no exageration.  It happens all too often.  This makes getting more troops there almost impossible.  And how long does it take?  Kill 1 troop and no capture.  I see it all the time.

The 110 hord would be attacking or defending on two fronts so that is 80.  And unfortuanatly it has been very difficult to get two fighters to work togeather let alone 110.  

I know this whole post is nothing but smoke and it won't ever be addressed, but from the stand point of a GVer trying to battle Tigers and planes with an M-8 and trying to enjoy the game is annoying.

LTARsqrl    

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by MadSquirrel
It is like I said.  Those that ENY favor, like it and are all for it.  Those who have to deal with it and the negitive aspects of ENY don't like it.

 

Speak for yourself please.  I was a Knight when the ENY limiter was set in place and many a night (most nights) the Knights had the most players so we were hit by the ENY.  Now at the time we only had the P-38L and it was quite frequently disabled from the ENY limiter.  Instead of whining about it, I would just look to other venues for my fun.  If that meant upping a Ju87 or A-20 to dogfight in then that's what I did.  Sometimes I'd even up a M8 and see if I could jump off those ramps on some of the maps, or I'd log off and do something else.

I thought the ENY was a good idea then and I still think it's a good idea now.  Sure there might be better ways but this one works too.  And I don't think I need to remind you that HiTech at first tried to let the community solve this problem but when it proved incompetent in this, HiTech stepped in and came up with the ENY system.  Like it or not, it's here so better get used to it.


ack-ack

[IownU]

Originally posted by hubsonfire
I was faced with an ENY limit the other night. I hopped over to the bish for a few days. I noticed that quite a few rooks and knits had changed also. Some were Bish due to ENY, others wanted more targets, and some just like to fight the horde whereever it goes. Instead of either complaining about numbers, or ENY limits, they just quietly went about playing the game.

 I really don't feel that there is a better solution than offering his customers 2 choices and letting them decide for themselves. However, the number of people currently who will face Tempests, 152s, and La-7s in P40s and Il-2s (albeit in massive groups) speaks volumes of the majority of the MA patrons' interest in a fair and balanced arena.

 Perked rides when numbers are severely imbalanced discriminates against the newer or less frequent players. This would result in only the vets on one country, and a majority hopping to the other to fly. They could, at that point, create an opposite imbalance, and wind up stuck in place with no perks. Not acceptable for HTC.

 I don't think the current Log-in system could lock people out from a specific country at log in, since country changes are done inside the game, and the log in screen only shows total arena populations.

 Increased numbers of troops, or increased hardness of buildings doesn't remedy the imbalance either.  Whether it takes the side with a 2-1 numerical advantage 1 goon or 5 goons to capture a field, the horde will still triumph.
 
The main issue here isn't the difficulty in winning the virtual war, it is the quality of gameplay for the customers who aren't enjoying a huge disparity in the numbers of enemies. The only way to fix this is to lure people with either more opportunities for perks and kills, or impose a fee (ENY limits). Any option which HTC forced upon you would be hated far more than ENY.

You say the ENY isn't the best solution, and it's not, in a sense. The best solution would be for the players to become more active, and less entrenched in the "Xcountry or die!" mentality, and bring the MA back in to balance. This, the best solution, is what I call a "pipe dream". The best practical solution is the one we have now.

ps: turn it up just a bit, and give bombs an ENY value as well, so ord becomes unavailable too.

hub we were not the ones complaining look at the one that started the thred we just added our 2 cents just as you have we did just fine with out ostis we used m8s just as well as we did ostis and took some bases with m8s

[IownU]

Originally posted by Karnak
E.g. you are looking for something that doesn't affect you personally so you can keep on ganging with your horde.

It isn't a solution if it doesn't cause discomfort to those in the horde.

the only horde he runs with is us and any given time there is and ave. of 5 of us on so you callin 5 LTARs a horde just think thats a little small to be complaining about LTARsqrl gangin up on ya'll you should watch what you say if your not sure then dont say it and yes i defend my squadies

[IownU]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Speak for yourself please.  I was a Knight when the ENY limiter was set in place and many a night (most nights) the Knights had the most players so we were hit by the ENY.  Now at the time we only had the P-38L and it was quite frequently disabled from the ENY limiter.  Instead of whining about it, I would just look to other venues for my fun.  If that meant upping a Ju87 or A-20 to dogfight in then that's what I did.  Sometimes I'd even up a M8 and see if I could jump off those ramps on some of the maps, or I'd log off and do something else.

I thought the ENY was a good idea then and I still think it's a good idea now.  Sure there might be better ways but this one works too.  And I don't think I need to remind you that HiTech at first tried to let the community solve this problem but when it proved incompetent in this, HiTech stepped in and came up with the ENY system.  Like it or not, it's here so better get used to it.


ack-ack

Ack-Ack we were not the ones complaining look at the one that started the thred we just added our 2 cents just as you have we did just fine with out ostis we used m8s just as well as we did ostis and took some bases with m8s and used odd planes with pea shooters

[Karnak]

Originally posted by LTARkilz
the only horde he runs with is us and any given time there is and ave. of 5 of us on so you callin 5 LTARs a horde just think thats a little small to be complaining about LTARsqrl gangin up on ya'll you should watch what you say if your not sure then dont say it and yes i defend my squadies

The horde he runs with is the Knits.  It matters not at all whether he is in the immediate geographical area as they are.  That is something that he, and you apparently, don't get.  When the other sides don't have the manpower to counter your manpower it doesn't matter where you are in respect to the bulk of the horde.  Any place the outmanned side may gain a numerical superiority is bound to very quickly attract a dominating number of the side with greater numbers, because they have the numbers to be flexible.  As long as you are part of those numbers you add to the flexibility and so are part of the horde.

[Urchin]

Your "numbers game" example is a little off.  

Usually at night it will be ~100 Bish, ~160 Rook, ~200 knight.  

So figure an even split you have 50 Bish v 80 Rook, 50 bish vs 100 Knight, and 80 Rook vs 100 Knight.  

That works out to about 2 20v5 (bish v rook), 2 20v10 (bish vs knight), 2 30v5 (rook vs bish), and 30v10 (rook vs knight).  

For the Knights, they can either use the same "percent" of force and get 2 40 plane hordes per side vs ~5 on rooks or bish, or go with the same amount of force and get 5 30 plane hordes, with 10 free to go wherever.

[ghi]

That's how the roster was looking last evening!!  

Salutte FBs for switching to bishops!

[hubsonfire]

I know, LTARs, that you guys didn't start the post, but my comments apply to the whole discussion. The ideas I listed were the ones I recall seeing suggested most often. There are a few others, I'm sure, that I'd forgotten, but most the "suggestions" were, in fact, nothing more than token efforts to give the appearance of doing something, while in no way limiting the equipment or numbers of whatever side was the horde.

The country loyalty is rather silly. There are plenty of good people all over (and, granted, some tools), but the remark someone made about the only real difference being the icons rings true.

[Arcades057]

Punc-tu-a-shun.  Periods, commas, the like, please.  

[DamnedRen]

The ENY seems to work quite well. If you think about it the shortage of people in your country allows you to completely bulldoze over any field you want because the enemy can't up anything worth while to defend it. Why would anyone want to do away with that kind of system?

For example;

3  countries:

bish 150
rooks 100
knits 155

If the ENY goes outs the window then if 20 rooks get up they can steam roll over any field they want with whatever plane they chose to fly with not much defense.  They can continue to do it all night long. What's wrong with that?

The ENY can swing any way depending on the numbers, right?
Yeah, it's a wonderful system.  It just depends on when and who it happens to.  

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Ren
The Damned

[IownU]

Punc-tu-a-shun i aint that kinda person':rolleyes:

[AmRaaM]

ENY. socialist inspired game rules, take from the rich and give to the poor..



GET RID OF IT ENTIRELY.

[Karnak]

Originally posted by AmRaaM
ENY. socialist inspired game rules, take from the rich and give to the poor..



GET RID OF IT ENTIRELY.

I am perpetually amazed at the ability of idealogues to apply their political beliefs to anything and everything.