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Offline SaburoS

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« Reply #15 on: September 06, 2005, 01:15:58 PM »
Is this true? Saw this Sept 04.

Hurricane Floyd vs. Hurricane Katrina
Clinton in charge vs. Bush in charge

Clinton is at a conference in New Zealand. He hears that it's likely
the hurricane will hit land. He leaves the conference early to return
to US.  

Bush is on vacation and continues to stay on vacation.  

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Enroute to USA Clinton declares a state of emergency which mobilizes
the big C-8 transport airplanes and ships and trucks to load with
water, medical supplies, tents, food, etc. National Guard troops get
ready.  

Bush stays on vacation and does nothing. Local officials urge all
people to evacuate. (There are many, many poor people who do not have
access to cars and it's the end of the month and they have not been
paid and have no money to pay for transportation.) The local
authorities eventually open the Superdome to house those who could
not leave.

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Hurricane Floyd moves onto and over the land.  

Hurricane Katrina moves onto and over the land.
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Clinton orders relief efforts to move in right after hurricane has
passed. Planes, trucks and boats are dispatched to the area.  

Local politicians urge Bush to declare state of emergency and begin
relief efforts. Bush does nothing.  

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Relief efforts from effects of Hurricane Floyd begin.  

Chaos begins to reign from effects of Hurricane Katrina. No water,
medical supplies, electricity, food, etc. People DIE from lack of
medical treatment, food, etc. The surrounding states begin to offer
their facilities to help house/care for people.  

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Clinton has his staff give him hourly updates on situation.  

Bush remains on vacation. He goes golfing and fishing. He goes to a
special photo op at the birthday party of Sen. McCain. He attends a
concert and pretends to play the guitar. Bush's Secretary of State,
Condi Rice, attends the theater the evening after the hurricane and
the next day she goes shopping for expensive shoes. When she is
challenged by a fellow shopper ("What are you doing here? People are
homeless and losing their lives?"), Condi Rice has the security
personnel remove the woman from the store. Comfort relief/hospital
ship is supposed to LEAVE port in Boston this Sunday, September 11.
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« Reply #16 on: September 06, 2005, 01:21:06 PM »
if it sounds too good to be true then it probably is.
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« Reply #17 on: September 06, 2005, 01:37:11 PM »
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You might want to research what measures Blanco took on the Saturday before...
 


According to this article she declared a state emergency the Saturday before the storm.  Which is true?

http://www.newschannel6.tv/news/default.asp?mode=shownews&id=8601

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« Reply #18 on: September 06, 2005, 01:38:40 PM »
If it sounds just about right then it probably is.
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« Reply #19 on: September 06, 2005, 01:46:00 PM »
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« Reply #20 on: September 06, 2005, 01:48:41 PM »
If it just doesnt sound right, then it probably isn't.
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« Reply #21 on: September 06, 2005, 01:57:41 PM »
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Originally posted by Mickey1992
According to this article she declared a state emergency the Saturday before the storm.  Which is true?

http://www.newschannel6.tv/news/default.asp?mode=shownews&id=8601


I'd trust a legal memorandum before a democrat any day...

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Shortly before midnight Friday, the Bush administration sent her a proposed legal memorandum asking her to request a federal takeover of the evacuation of New Orleans, a source within the state's emergency operations center said Saturday.

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« Reply #22 on: September 06, 2005, 02:00:24 PM »
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5- Flamebaiting, trolling, or posting to incite or annoy is not allowed.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl  And the funny part is, they scream "Where did you get your information, Rush Limbaugh?"

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« Reply #23 on: September 06, 2005, 02:11:07 PM »
Is it normal for the federal government to take over in these types of situations or just hand over control to the state? I really don't know so don't think that i'm leading to something here, just wondering!!!

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« Reply #24 on: September 06, 2005, 02:25:29 PM »
the feds don't take over unless the state asks them too...

if the dems in LA had half a brain, they'd dumped to the feds as soon as they could...then their cries of inadequate response would have had at least some merit
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« Reply #25 on: September 06, 2005, 02:35:29 PM »
Any port in a storm.
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« Reply #26 on: September 06, 2005, 02:40:26 PM »
It continues to amaze me that in this country so many people are so completely ignorant of the structure of our governmental systems in these United States. Many posts on this BBS just re-enforce that opinion.

Very well said sir


And for all of you people that are bring up Bill Clinton please don't, that guy is the biggest joke in American history, the whole reason our economy was so messed up during Bush's 1st 4 years was because he was cleaning up Clintons dealings with all the big IPO's, Clinton just did a real quick fix with the economy while he was president. Lets also remember that when Bill and Hillary were outed by Bush, they stole all the silverware and plates and even bed sheets, can you say jerkoff lol

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« Reply #27 on: September 06, 2005, 02:45:25 PM »
There is always room for improvement, especially in the area of responses to disasters in the crowded cities we live in today... and there should be a study for lessons learned - AFTER everyone living is at least rescued, and the bodies are buried.  

 I think its preposterous to blame soley the top political leader in the nation for the  incredible death and property damage caused by the flooding that was triggered in below-sea-level NO by this hurricane.  

I think its even worse to suggest that it was due to racism, or even intentional ... you can hear this drivel on the radio!  Its pathetic politisization of an already tragic situation.

Good observations in your post, Clifra Jones!
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« Reply #28 on: September 06, 2005, 03:01:16 PM »
If the shoe fits, wear it.
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« Reply #29 on: September 06, 2005, 03:15:50 PM »
It's obvious that there is a very large schism between the mayor of NO and the governor. In live interviews on cnn he has been more than critical of the response from the state and lack of coordination with the feds. His statement about when Bush asked her to let the feds help and her reply that she needed 24 hours to think about it, is simply astounding.

One statement I can certainly agree with, and surprisingly it came from clinton, is that an analysis needs to be done over everything that happened or didn't happen in this situation. It needs to be done AFTER the crisis is over not during it. Since this has been declared the worst natural disaster in the history of the nation it is safe to assume that exact plans and preparations are not likely to be possible prior to the event. As the mayor of NO said an evacuation order has never before been given in his cities history. Thinking anyone, much less everyone, would get everything right in dealing with this situation is ludicrous.

It's time to just STFU about how somebody is to blame and just fix the damage and help the survivors. Very few of the folks who post on this bbs are, or were there and only one person that I can tell has any position in the actual response to the disaster in any official capacity. the rest are pretty much making a bunch of "noise" about in a situation that they have only second, third, fourth or even farther removed from the situation knowledge.

Just my opinion. Feel free to continue to "lord it over" and "arm chair quarterback" the folks who are actually doing something. about it.
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