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sling322 · « **Reply #30 on:** September 06, 2005, 05:05:35 PM »

Bush did cut his vacation short. He was on his way back to Washington on Mon or Tues if I recall correctly.

By the way, this lunatic threatening to "punch" the president? Has she been arrested yet for making threats to harm the leader of our nation? Isnt that illegal?

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #31 on:** September 06, 2005, 08:48:51 PM »

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Originally posted by SaburoS
Is this true? Saw this Sept 04.

Few discrepancies there.
Bush declared a state of emergency before the hurricane made landfall.

Did not do "nothing" from his Texas ranch but practically begged the mayor of N. O. to issue a mandatory evacuation of the city and the governor of Louisiana to let the feds take over.
After waiting 24 hours to respond. She said "no" and is my understanding didn't give approval until after 3 days after the levy broke.
Conventional wisdom is it will take up to 3 days for the feds to be able to respond in "any meaningful way" (exact quote I heard) from the time that permission is given.
so that alone puts us 6 days into this.

Interestingly enough part of N. O. evacuation plan is for the mayor to authorize the use of the school busses and other public forms of transportation to evacuate those who have no other modes of transpiration out. which the N. O. mayor did not do. even when he did get around to ordering an evacuation (after it was already too late)

Bush could not use the insurrection act because it was not an insurrection (looting does not an insurrection make) So By law he couldn't use that.
By law he couldn't federally take over without expressed consent from the state.
By law he cant use federal troops to do police work even once the feds do take over.

The vast bulk of the blame if there is any is on the government state of Louisiana and those that refused to leave when it was prudent to do so.

Blame on the fed level would have to go with the poor organization of the relief efforts. Putting Beurocrates in positions that may require immediate action (FEMA) is never a good idea.
Planning for an emergency situation was obviously poor with no clear cut chain of command or plan of action.
Kinda makes you wonder what these people have been doing since 9/11.

but in the end I think the bulk of the blame still has to go to the state level. Had they taken the necessary steps at the necessary times alot if not most of the tragedy could have been avoided.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #32 on:** September 06, 2005, 09:09:03 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
Oh come on!

Attacking an idiotic Senator makes it all OK?

The President expressed surprise at the squalor in the Superdome THREE DAYS after the hurricane. Was he too busy clearing brush at the ranch?

There is no excuse for the poor response to this disaster.
FEMA failed, Homeland Security failed, Louisiana failed and New Orleans failed. Two of those 4 entities answer to President Bush. When is he gonna stop trying to spin failures into successes and actually do something?

Umm the latter two faitours (HS and FEMA)were in large part the direct result of faitours of the former two (Louisiana, N. O. )

Cant expect the top floor to stand if the bottom floors collapse

And you cant expect any origination at the federal level to be able to do what it isnt allowed to do until it is allowed to.

But. Once it was allowed I will agree the LEADERSHIP of H.S. and FEMA was pretty dismal. Or so it looks anyway.
Inasmuch as we arent there to see it first hand none can say.
Again. 90,000 square miles is alot of area to cover and try to bring relief efforts to. So Im not really surprised it would take some bit of time before anyone could see any real gaugeable results.

Its like spilling a cup of sugar on your floor and having even a dozen people trying to clean it up one grain at a time.
Eventually it gets picked up. but it takes a while before you even look like your getting anywhere

vorticon · « **Reply #33 on:** September 06, 2005, 09:22:27 PM »

well said drediock, a most sensible assesment, and it seems to be reasonably accurate.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #34 on:** September 06, 2005, 09:35:30 PM »

as of yesturday the Louisiana National Guard was still under STATE CONTROL.

It's all BUsh's fault.

yes MT you are soo right. Investigations while the bodies are still fresh is exactly what is needed. We don't need the releif effort in the city helping people we need them coming back to washington and taking time out to do interviews. Don't let them sleep that will only slow the process down. Most of them have been awake for three to five days strait, sleep might make them forget something.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #35 on:** September 06, 2005, 09:56:06 PM »

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Originally posted by SaburoS
Is this true? Saw this Sept 04.

Hurricane Floyd vs. Hurricane Katrina
Clinton in charge vs. Bush in charge

Chuck let's compare apples to apples for a second here:
Floyed was a Cat 2 hurricane at best that struck in North Carolina
Katrina was a Cat 5 that struck East of New Orleans in

(THE FLOOD DID MORE DAMAGE TO NO THAN THE HURRICANE)

The topography of the two areas are completly different.

Most people commenting about this have NEVER been to New Orleans. There's only 3 major ways to get there and all of them go over water. The one highway still intact flooded halfway to the city. Over said highways was hurricane damage as well.

midnight Target · « **Reply #36 on:** September 07, 2005, 07:59:19 AM »

"I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees." –President Bush, on "Good Morning America," Sept. 1, 2005

"What I'm hearing which is sort of scary is that they all want to stay in Texas. Everybody is so overwhelmed by the hospitality. And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway so this (chuckle) – this is working very well for them." –Former First Lady Barbara Bush, on the Hurricane flood evacuees in the Houston Astrodome, Sept. 5, 2005

"Considering the dire circumstances that we have in New Orleans, virtually a city that has been destroyed, things are going relatively well." —FEMA Director Michael Brown, Sept. 1, 2005

"Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job." –President Bush, to FEMA director Michael Brown, while touring Hurricane-ravaged Mississippi, Sept. 2, 2005

"I have not heard a report of thousands of people in the convention center who don't have food and water." –Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, on NPR's "All Things Considered," Sept. 1, 2005

"Well, I think if you look at what actually happened, I remember on Tuesday morning picking up newspapers and I saw headlines, 'New Orleans Dodged the Bullet.' Because if you recall, the storm moved to the east and then continued on and appeared to pass with considerable damage but nothing worse." –Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, blaming media coverage for his failings, "Meet the Press," Sept. 4, 2005

"I believe the town where I used to come – from Houston, Texas, to enjoy myself, occasionally too much – will be that very same town, that it will be a better place to come to." –President George W. Bush, on the tarmac at the New Orleans airport, Sept. 2, 2005

"We just learned of the convention center – we being the federal government – today." –FEMA Director Michael Brown, to ABC's Ted Koppel, Sept. 1, 2005, to which Koppel responded " Don't you guys watch television?

hehe.. good job Brownie.

lazs2 · « **Reply #37 on:** September 07, 2005, 08:13:18 AM »

If I have to choose between having klinton for pres and haveing a federal government who does nothing when I have a flood...

I will pick the one who does nothing.

If you don't like the way they are handling it... quit paying your taxes... No? vote to give em less?

How bout.... catch up on your insurance and learn to stop thinking the government is a solution to all your problems.

lazs

Edbert · « **Reply #38 on:** September 07, 2005, 08:53:23 AM »

If you rely on any governmental official city/school/county/parish/state/local/federal/UN/etc. to save your arse in an emergency you are going to either die or be dissapointed.

Wake up!

lazs2 · « **Reply #39 on:** September 07, 2005, 08:56:24 AM »

I don't see how providing for the common defense has anything to do with hurricanes in any case.

lazs

Gunthr · « **Reply #40 on:** September 07, 2005, 09:54:55 AM »

I think it might have been either that rapper Kanye or the "bad boy" Sean Penn who first articulated the "common defense" theory...

if it wasn't them, all I could suggest is that you'd have to visit the same progressive blogs that MT gets his matierial from in order to be able to see the connection.

midnight Target · « **Reply #41 on:** September 07, 2005, 09:57:49 AM »

I visit no blogs, my material is mine, except for the list of quotes above. They came from yahoo.

Yeager · « **Reply #42 on:** September 07, 2005, 10:01:36 AM »

better go make sure your emergency kit is stocked up and make sure you have enough ammunition.....

unless you want government to take care of you after a disaster

Sandman · « **Reply #43 on:** September 07, 2005, 10:19:10 AM »

Hmmm... this disaster highlights the failure of our nation's welfare system(s). We've created entire generations of dependent people, incapable of fending for themselves.

I suspect that some states are worse than others, hell... there might even be some worse than Louisiana.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #44 on:** September 07, 2005, 10:22:57 AM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
"I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees." –President Bush, on "Good Morning America," Sept. 1, 2005

"What I'm hearing which is sort of scary is that they all want to stay in Texas. Everybody is so overwhelmed by the hospitality. And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway so this (chuckle) – this is working very well for them." –Former First Lady Barbara Bush, on the Hurricane flood evacuees in the Houston Astrodome, Sept. 5, 2005

"Considering the dire circumstances that we have in New Orleans, virtually a city that has been destroyed, things are going relatively well." —FEMA Director Michael Brown, Sept. 1, 2005

"Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job." –President Bush, to FEMA director Michael Brown, while touring Hurricane-ravaged Mississippi, Sept. 2, 2005

"I have not heard a report of thousands of people in the convention center who don't have food and water." –Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, on NPR's "All Things Considered," Sept. 1, 2005

"Well, I think if you look at what actually happened, I remember on Tuesday morning picking up newspapers and I saw headlines, 'New Orleans Dodged the Bullet.' Because if you recall, the storm moved to the east and then continued on and appeared to pass with considerable damage but nothing worse." –Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, blaming media coverage for his failings, "Meet the Press," Sept. 4, 2005

"I believe the town where I used to come – from Houston, Texas, to enjoy myself, occasionally too much – will be that very same town, that it will be a better place to come to." –President George W. Bush, on the tarmac at the New Orleans airport, Sept. 2, 2005

"We just learned of the convention center – we being the federal government – today." –FEMA Director Michael Brown, to ABC's Ted Koppel, Sept. 1, 2005, to which Koppel responded " Don't you guys watch television?

hehe.. good job Brownie.

so because of these quotes you want to call off the releif effort to bring these people back to washington and have hearings?

EDIT: I don't see you complaining about the local govt's work either. Were they stellar performers in this case or are they excempt from criticism because they are democrats?