Reality or fiction?

[SirLoin]

lol..i bet u'd have an easy time convincing Lazs of that..

[Howitzer]

Originally posted by Scrap
With all due respect trip9s (respected foe) I see this more often than I would like to.  Now to drift off on a quasi-related tangent...

I was offline last night and relized just how porked the bomb bay model is in this game (at least for one bomber).  Try this sometime.  Take up a Lanc, open doors, fly inverted, drop ordinance.  THEN you can see how there is a VERY large margin of error allowing pile-its to get away with about anything in level bombers.

LOL that is awesome  =)

[Morpheus]

Originally posted by SirLoin
lol..i bet u'd have an easy time convincing Lazs of that..

I dont see any problem with bombers, so long as they're used as such. What i hate is when people take them and ram them into the sides of ships dozens of times just to kill a CV and ruin a fight.

[Ghosth]

There is & always has been 2 kinds of people who fly bombers. There are buff pilots and there are dweebs who fly bombers.

Good buff pilots wouldn't dream of dropping hangers as their first target.  Not without being asked first. They are the ones asking 15 miles out what needs hitting at a field.  They are the ones who upped 2 fields & 2 sectors back so they can come over the field at 15k.

Personally when I fly buffs I like strat targets. No one complains cause I screwed up the field they were about to capture.
No one gripes cause I shut down the fight they were enjoying.

What would help would be strat targets that are closer to a countrys border. So you have at least a chance to always have a target.

A couple of 5k fields back from the front lines a sector or 2.

Strat targets that are a bit bigger, designed for high alt carpet bombing.
Heck lets really go out on a limb here.
Lets have 2 sets of strat objects per country. Lets put them close to the border on each side of the center.

Lets put a medium field nearby so they can be defended!

Put them 2 wide down a valley (like the ruhr?) with HQ at the end.

Think of the fights that would be started!

Last, fighter pilots get their name in lights when they have a good run.

What do bomber pilots get?? nothing, nada, zip.

Gameid killed 16 SO (strat objects) or SOMETHING!

Let people see who the real Buff pilots are and learn from them.

[Larry]

The only fun bombing is high alt. bombing. I remember when I was in ~Hells Angels~ Pigface Angry and I would always take B24s to 25-30K to a enemy HQ alot at like 3am. The 1-1 1/2 hours of doing nothing is well worth the 15-20mins of when the HQ is near and watching out for 163s. I remember once we took two sets of B24s and one set of lancs to a HQ NOE up to about 20 miles out then climbed up to 6k and level the place. that was one of the hardest missions Iv ever flown more then an hour of dodgeing trees and hills, but atlease we got alt before we bombed the target. And the 10K Ju88 raids on a CV with the JBz was really fun to.

[Gooss]

You pay your $15 and fly what and how you want.

They pay $15 and fly what and how they want.  

For $15, we all get to complain if we choose.

No biggie.

HONK!
Gooss

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by PK1Mw
I've said this many times in many other posts...

When bombers take out the FHz, it does more that stop the vulching. It stops the fighting that was going on before the bombers got there. It makes the enemy come in even high than they were from another base. He|| it even slows down the capture because you're not hitting what needs to be hit to take the base. The Town. If you want to kill a hangar, kill the VH. That should the first thing down besides the ack at the base and in the town. The fighters can at least help against enemy planes. You kill the FHz and not the VH, you're taking the fighters out of the game.

Its to the point now, where the bombers arent getting the help that they should from the fighters (unless its a mission or squad op) because the fighters are tired of going to a fight and then 5 minutes later the hangars are down. Everyone wants to complain about the furballers, cuz they dont help take bases and what not. Well quit killing the fighter hangars, and maybe you'll get more help.

One more thing, you base grabbin' people... try not to pork the ord and troops at the base that you are about to take. It just prolongs the movement to the next base.

I cannot believe I am going to say this but, this is the most intelligent post I've read on the BBS in a few months.

Karaya

[Dead Man Flying]

Originally posted by Westy
QHUAAAAAAAAAH!!!!


oh crap.


wrong topic.

No topic is unfit for a good QUAAAAAAHing.

-- Todd/Leviathn

[Edbert]

Originally posted by thrila
I'm not sure I understand this thread, something bad happen last night?

I got that impression, but apparently nobody's talking, probably out of fear of Rules #4, #5.

[gofaster]

Just think, if you perked the B-24, some of the gamey aspects might, just might, get curbed a bit.

I don't mind the low Lancs because they have those small .303s for defense, which makes them meat on the table for just about anything except the Ju-87.

But the B-24s are faster and pack .50s out of every hole.

[dedalos]

Stupid furbalers.  They took over this post and only talk about what they want Why dont they think about what everyone else wants

Oh, wait a minute, it looks like they may be everyone else that likes to fight once in a while.  Now that I think about it, there is only one person that does only one thing in this game.  Its not sinking CVs or destroing FHs, and it is not killing a CV to prevent a capture or kill a VH to assist in a capture.  What he does is stops fights.  Because he will never drop a FH or CV when a fight is not going on.  Yet, he does this in the interest of everyone else.  There is nothing selfish about it.  <> and thank you for carring.

PS.  I would put in a request with HT for a fourth country cause we all know whats going to happen a few weeks from now.

[DipStick]

Originally posted by Morpheus
I have sat in the CV's 8 inch gun and blew you to smithereines probably 30-40 times, both you and tatertot, while you flew basicly INTO our CV. That shows no skill. Im sorry , but you asked. Wouldnt it be easier to just climb to 10k and drop the thing in a single pass? Much easier I say.

Coming into a CV at 100ft off the deck, and pulling straight up just before the ack blows you to hell, release the bombs and hope they hit... That's just gay. Sorry, but you asked.

PWN3D!

Originally posted by PK1Mw
When bombers take out the FHz, it does more that stop the vulching. It stops the fighting that was going on before the bombers got there. It makes the enemy come in even high than they were from another base. He|| it even slows down the capture because you're not hitting what needs to be hit to take the base. The Town. If you want to kill a hangar, kill the VH. That should the first thing down besides the ack at the base and in the town. The fighters can at least help against enemy planes. You kill the FHz and not the VH, you're taking the fighters out of the game.

Its to the point now, where the bombers arent getting the help that they should from the fighters (unless its a mission or squad op) because the fighters are tired of going to a fight and then 5 minutes later the hangars are down. Everyone wants to complain about the furballers, cuz they dont help take bases and what not. Well quit killing the fighter hangars, and maybe you'll get more help.

One more thing, you base grabbin' people... try not to pork the ord and troops at the base that you are about to take. It just prolongs the movement to the next base.

TRUTH!

[MrRiplEy[H]]

What we need is a bunch of dedicated buff porkers. P47's or run-d's strafing ords from every field within 1 hour flight of border.

That'll teach them.

[Silat]

First rule of AH Fight Club is never respond to a #'s guy.
GET A NAME DAMNIT:)

[Soulyss]

I think the heart of the problem/issue/whatever is in a difference of opinion as to the point of the game.  

Sure there are some people who probably derive pleasure from intentionally go out to ruin other peoples fun in one form or another.  

I think the vast majority of people are participating in what they feel is the point of the game.  Fighter guys or furballers just want to up their planes and spin around the sky chasing their tails and could care less about what field belongs to whom.  I should know this is me most the time.  The problem arises when a more strat minded person takes if upon themselves to help their chess piece take whatever particular real estate the fight happens to be near.  To the fighter jocks this guy is ruining in the fight, killing the hangars, porking the fuel, etc.  To the guy with the bombs he's just helping "win".  There is no malice, it's just people playing the game in a different ways.  The only time it becomes an issue is when the different goals come into conflict.  Generally my sympathies lie with the fighter jocks, since I enjoy dogfights more than land grabbing and "winning the war".  But just like I usually don't answer to the generals who need this field captured or that defended I don't expect other people to give up all that and play my way.  

I would like to see some angle limitations on heavy bombs like lancasters (for example) to curb some of the more severe dive bombing.