Author Topic: P51D Skin request. 4th FG for Fencer51 (Read 3935 times)

Guppy35 · « **Reply #15 on:** September 20, 2005, 09:34:34 PM »

Don Allen did some of the best nose art of the war for the 4th FG. He was an Assistant Crew Cheif with the 4th. He did the nose art I posted, on Iron bellybutton at the time. He replicated the art again in 1994 along with many of his most well known 4th FG nose art works.

They appear in the book "Debden Warbirds" by former 4th FG pilot Frank Speer.

That is where I got the scan from of the nose art.

There is no doubt in my mind, based on Don Allen doing it, that the nose art was there on Iron Ass. I think the image just was taken prior to it going on.

I'd use it

Lord ReDhAwK · « **Reply #16 on:** September 20, 2005, 10:16:30 PM »

Yessir!

I will have the vector art finalized tonight. I will be out of town this weekend fly-fishing down in TN but will have it done prior to next weekend (fingers crossed). At least ready for review for you guys before submitting. Out of town Friday through Sunday chasing the elusive 16" Brook Trout

ReDhAwK

MachNix · « **Reply #17 on:** September 21, 2005, 11:48:57 AM »

From the photo of "Red Dog XII", the aircraft looks clean and fresh. Should I leave the skin "fresh" or put some "time" on it by adding dirt and paint chipping?

Also from the photo, I can't tell if the nose vent panel has holes or not. Anyone have an opinion?

I left two kill marking off due to the amount of skin stretching around the back of the canopy frame. I'm assuming the kill markings did not continue around the backside of the frame. 16 kill markings are showing in the photo.

Anyone know who the crew chief and weapons guy were for this aircraft? You probably will never be able to see or read it in the game but this information along with the pilot's name (Maj. Louis H. "Red Dog" Norley Jr.) was placed near the windshield.

Fencer51 · « **Reply #18 on:** September 21, 2005, 11:53:07 AM »

OH MY GAWD. SWEET!!!!!!!

I WANTS IT MY PRECIOUS.

Ahem, that is a nice looking skin there Sir. I will get back to you on the information requested. I need my sources.

Cheers,

Fencer51 · « **Reply #19 on:** September 21, 2005, 12:10:11 PM »

Well a quick search online found this photo of Norley next to his bird. I also found a reference to V. Andra being the crew chief. I will keep digging.

MachNix · « **Reply #20 on:** September 26, 2005, 11:43:49 AM »

Updated the image above. Unless anyone has some major changes, this will be the final version.

Fencer51 · « **Reply #21 on:** September 26, 2005, 12:02:55 PM »

Crew Chief was Vincent Andra. Other than that I got nothing on the crew.

It looks great. The only two things I have a question about is..

1) Is the red nose as dark as it should be? The color photos from that era show a darker red. The tail looks darker.

2) The anti glare in front of the cockpit, should it be a darker green?

Thanks again for a great looking Mustang!

Cheers

Fencer51 · « **Reply #22 on:** September 26, 2005, 12:04:10 PM »

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Originally posted by Guppy35
Umm...er.... does Dad have any photos of any of the 475th birds lying around?

He does. At least he thinks he does. It will take some time but the gentleman is going to look for them.

Cheers!

Guppy35 · « **Reply #23 on:** September 26, 2005, 01:18:16 PM »

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Originally posted by Fencer51
He does. At least he thinks he does. It will take some time but the gentleman is going to look for them.

Cheers!

Thanks for checking in on that. Who knows what might show up in terms of pilots and aircraft. Could be a gold mine

MachNix · « **Reply #24 on:** September 28, 2005, 09:40:35 PM »

Fencer51,
Okay, darkened the red and anti-glair panel. Updated the image above. Made a minor attempt to match the red on a VF bird Guppy35 posted in another thread. I think it looks better. Since this is sort of your project, if you give the "OK," I'll package it up and submit it.

Fencer51 · « **Reply #25 on:** September 29, 2005, 09:00:26 AM »

Sorta my project, lol. I can't draw to save my life (outside of Autocadd).

Looks great MachNix. Thanks for your time and effort.

Send it in and lets hope they like it too.

Cheers!

Fencer51 · « **Reply #26 on:** December 02, 2005, 10:45:45 AM »

I just want to let MachNix know I been putting his P-51D to good use.

Cheers,

MachNix · « **Reply #27 on:** December 02, 2005, 12:06:30 PM »

Thanks Fencer51. Looks like you are able to run screen and texture sizes to make full use of the skin. Maybe in the near future will have your VF-B skin to put to good use.

Fencer51 · « **Reply #28 on:** December 02, 2005, 02:00:21 PM »

Eh we will see about VF-B.

Guppy/Dan wanted an early Mustang D model to fly with B models, and that plane is one of my favorite Mustangs so it seemed the one to do because it would keep me interested while learning to skin so it seemed the one to do.

I have another skin that is about finished but I doubt it will be allowed.

You should also know that the entire 4th FG loves your skin it is what we fly the majority of the time. Of course one or two of us like the B model that Deacon did too, but most like the 6 50s this one gives.

In fact in the engagement pictured above, the poor 262 had 3 red nosed Mustangs on him.

Cheers,

Guppy35 · « **Reply #29 on:** December 04, 2005, 12:19:05 AM »

Life imitating art...er...ah...or something like that

The screenshot of the 51 shooting the 262 reminded me of this image from an old American Heritage Junior Library, book I read as a kid and have on the shelf. "Air War Against Hitler's Germany"

Wartime painting of two 4th FG 51s chasing a smoking 262 through a 24 formation. They shot it down