Overturning the Gospels

[Silat]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
Somone comfortable enough in their life doesn't need to be a bigot and classify all for the words of the few.  Silat likes to point that out every chance he gets.  I don't push my faith down his or your throats.  I don't tell you you're wrong for not beleiving.  

But for somone to question my motives and the amount that I "help out" in society because he has a bug up his bellybutton with the religious right to me is inexcusable.  Not to mention the fact that people are people....thus imperfect.

I have never ever questioned your motives youngman. And I am not a bigot. You are out of line. You are making this personal and that is against the board rules.
But you are correct that I have a problem with the religious fanatics in this country.
By making this a personal attack on me you have made it impossible to have a reasonable discussion.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Silat
I have never ever questioned your motives youngman. And I am not a bigot. You are out of line. You are making this personal and that is against the board rules.
But you are correct that I have a problem with the religious fanatics in this country.
By making this a personal attack on me you have made it impossible to have a reasonable discussion.

well it's "personal" when you attack a persons religion over and over again.  Then you procede to classify everyone that's a christian into the same pot as a few extremests.  This makes you a bigot.

[beet1e]

Originally posted by Silat
Beetle I have an 82 haut brion if you can make it over:)

Yes, that would be nice - or anything else your vintner can recommend.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Silat
I have never ever questioned your motives youngman.

ROFLMAO
Silat you are a total trip my friend.
Did you hold a pipe up and point with the stem while assuming the "Ward Cleaver" position when you posted this?

( A lot here probably don`t know who ole Ward is. )

[Charon]

well it's "personal" when you attack a persons religion over and over again. Then you procede to classify everyone that's a christian into the same pot as a few extremests. This makes you a bigot.

Watch out. I recently got a post moderated (flame bait/personal attack) for saying pretty much the same thing. In fact, I don't think I was even that blunt. Of course, in that case it was a religious person who was tarring all athiests and agnostics with a broadly and grossly negative brush for about the third or fourth time, so maybe you're safe.

Charon

[Simaril]

Originally posted by Silat
snip...

 Yes Im against all those that claim to follow their bible and dont

I'm 100% with you on this one; with the understanding that no one is perfect in the here and now. To quote one of my kid's hard rock bands:
 
I haven't noticed God to require perfection
Of those that He's able to use.
I have observed however that those used by God
Weren't content with their present state of imperfection.

Way too many people claiming to follow Jesus are more self satisfied and less self aware than is good for them. It gives faith in general a bad name.

Originally posted by Silat
snip...
Jesus was a liberal my friend.


                             

This is more true than most rightists would ever admit. He got his hands really dirty, hung out with the wrong crowd, and valued the downtrodden "real" people way more than the powerful and the religious elite. Would have to put in the qualifier, though,  that he was pretty big on right and wrong existing independently of personal opinion, and on fiscal and personal responsibility -- not exactly core liberal issues.

[BTW]

>>YOu might actually check the statistics as to how much fraud is in the welfare system before you use the hard right talking points that have you believing the poor choose to be poor.<<

Its hard to believe anyone would choose be poor or choose to remain on welfare and live in housing projects. But there is a type of politician that conspires to keep these people in a cage by giving them just enough to stay alive, but not enough to break out of the cage. Mary Landrieu is such a politician.

Requiring someone progress is leading them out of poverty. Keeping people as pets with a few food stamps is exploitation and vile.

[Gunslinger]

RE Welfare


what some of you don't realize is that the welfare system is a trap door.  Once you get on it, the food stamps, the housing it's hard to get off of it.  There's very little govt accountablity in this area because the politicians are afraid to touch it, or they don't want to mess with their base.

When somone get's on assitance it's hard to get a higher paying job because they will lose their assistance and the gap in income difference just isn't enough.  There's very few local govts that have an effective way to "wean" people off of welfare.

Alot of crime spawns from these areas as well.

[Edbert]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
There's very little govt accountablity in this area because the politicians are afraid to touch it, or they don't want to mess with their base.

The only guy who could say "welfare reform" without being accused of desiring to starve children was Bill Clinton.

[X2Lee]

What I have seen since Katrina:

 The poor and the wealthy hurt by the storm.

 Black, white, Hispanic, Oriental and Indian all hurt by the storm.

 Christian people giving, giving, giving.

 Churches going all out to minister in Jesus' name.

 Neighbors going door to door helping one another.

Thugs and hoodlums going door to door looking for someone vulnerable.

 Ice and water being fought over as police tried to keep the peace.

 People coming up from New Orleans taking over empty houses because shelters are full.

 Out of town volunteers coming with food and staying  for now a month still serving it.

 The Churches all over this part of the country doing what Christians do in a crisis.

 The Red Cross doing a great job in the shelters.


The Salvation Army doing a great job in the community.


Four Hundred crewman from everywhere bring back the power to our homes,  churches and businesses.

 Lines at service stations a block to a mile long.

 National Guardsman patrolling the streets of McComb along with Kentucky policemen protecting us from the hoodlums and thugs of McComb, Pike County and  New Orleans (the most dangerous city in the world before  Katrina.)

 Drug dealers working outside shelters.

 Doctors, nurses and other hospital personnel working tirelessly, even sleeping in the hospital to do the job God called them to do.


 WHAT I HAVE NOT SEEN;


 The ACLU setting up a feeding line.

People for the American Way helping in the shelters.

 The NAACP doing any work whatsoever.


 The American Atheist organization serving meals in  the shelters.
 Jesse Jackson directing traffic at the gas stations.

 I could go on but you get my message. Its the Christian people with love  and compassion who do the work.

 The gripers in Congress should come on down and get in line to pass the  water and the ice. Are you  listening Hillary, Chuck, Teddy and all the  sorry loafers we call  Senators and Congressmen. They don't have a clue  as to what this life is all about on the Gulf Coast.