2 Norwegian coastguard inspectors kinapped

[Vulcan]

Originally posted by 2bighorn
Why it takes so long, or the rusty trawler is steaming faster than Norwegian boats?

Secret russian technology, the boats go twice as fast with half the hull weight rusted away

[2bighorn]

Originally posted by Vulcan
Secret russian technology, the boats go twice as fast with half the hull weight rusted away

LOL

Guess Vikings caught the perp afterall

http://www.mosnews.com/news/2005/10/17/elektron.shtml

[straffo]

Originally posted by Estel
Escape raft? Don't know correct word.

The problem is that you see lawful reason from your, Norway side. And I see the situation from our, lawful side.

Both sides follow the rules. And both sides see their opponents like criminals.

Give up Nilsen the Russian are right, allways right even when breaking local and international laws.


Estel except if you're compleltly dumb you cannot justify the kidnapping of 2 citizen especially when they didn't broke ANY law*.

Did the Norvegian broke any Norvegian/Russian/International law ?

Before answering take a 10min break and think about it.

[Vulcan]

Originally posted by straffo
Before answering take a 10min break and think about it.

He can't, he needs to look up the answer in his Communist Party Doctrine And Standard Responses book.

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by 2bighorn
What I wonder, Nielsen, since I have seen the picture of that rusty trawler, what kind of boats Norwegian Coastguard is using to catch the trawler?

Why it takes so long, or the rusty trawler is steaming faster than Norwegian boats?

And how you gonna stop it? Shots over the bow? Ram? Eventually sinking it?

I'm really curious now.

The coastguard are using 4 large and excellent vessels. They can easily overtake the trawler but there are 8-9 meter waves in the area and a full storm. If they wanted to get people onboard they could use helos. They are trying diplomacy before force.

If they want to stop it they will first fire warningshots across its bow and then ram it. They could also lower coastguard or special forces on it from helos. They could in extreme cases try to shoot at the engine room but that wont happen.

[Nilsen]

These two and two more are in persuit..

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by Wolfala
OK, here's my take on what went down - so far as possibilities.:

1. The usual Coast Guard safety inspection routine and they find contraband, i.e. stuff they shouldn't have, use your imagination, refrigerators, tv's, cars - so they panic and haul bellybutton out of dodge to prevent going through the usual crap of having the boat impounded again and bailing the Captain and everyone else out of the brig.

2. There was overfishing, knew it and were caught, panic'd with the CG guys still on, something went down - and hauled bellybutton out to sea anyway b/c of what went down and the usual blamegame ensues.

3. The same political bs played out again about economic exclusion zones and one party recognizing the rights of another's right to use those economic resources.
      - Laws are only as effective as those enforcing them - and treaty's are the same way when methods of verification and compliance are effective.

Its number 2 with a twist. The company that owns the trawler gave it an order to head for russia. The captain had accepted the order from the coastguard to head for Norway but diverted after the order from its owner.

[Wilbus]

Russian Media? Russian media says anything that could possibly make the government look bad?

Hopefully they move all the crew from the Trawler to the coustguard ship and then sink the freaking trawler.

Go my Norwegian Neighbours go!

Here is an update BTW

Looks like the Russian goverment admits to the Norwegians being right.

Of course they are right, they are Scandinavians.

[Nilsen]

Update:

The trawler has nets that are designed to get fish below minimum size and the gadget that separates fish according to size after the net is taken onboard was disabled.

This is really beside the point.

The point still is that Norwegain coastguard personel are taken hostage by the crew on the trawler.



-edit- nice find Wilbus.

[Wilbus]

VV Nilsen. All the rights are on Norweigians side, no matter how anyone decide to twist and turn on the whole matter.

The Russian trawler broke the law by using elegal materials, they then broke the law when they kidnapping two people, Coast Guard personel non the less.  

I hope the Russian crew and the Russian trawler company gets what's coming for them.

Nilsen, är det på Nyheterna i Norge? Försökte kolla nyheterna i Sverige men de visar inget för tillfället. De internationella kanalerna verkar inte visa något heller.

[Nilsen]

Yup its all over the news here Wilbus and has been since yesterday. Can't remember if there was anything on Sunday tho. I think both the Russian and Norwegain governments are trying to tone it down. They are in close contact both on diplomatic and military levels to get the trawler to "surrender". Over the last few years since the Kursk incident there has been a hotline between the Russian and Norwegian northern fleets to quickly resolve various incidents at sea.

[Wilbus]

VV, Keep us posted please.

[Nilsen]

Update:

Talks between both governments and the russian trawler has led to what will hopefully be a happy ending. When the trawler reaches Russian waters the coastguard people will be transfered to a Russian borderguard ship and they will be transported to shore and back to Norway.

After that we will see what action will be taken against the company that owns the trawler by both Russian and Norwegian authorities.

[Jackal1]

"International law" is a hoot. Law by and for who? Recognized by what countries?
Sort of like going to war with a country and expecting the Geneva Convention rules to be followed and adhered to in a country that does not recognize these rule, nor claim to follow or recognize these rules.
When it comes down to it, you do what you feel have to do.

[Nilsen]

Some nations actually respects international law Jackal1