Author Topic: 2 Norwegian coastguard inspectors kinapped (Read 5060 times)

Jackal1 · « **Reply #75 on:** October 18, 2005, 08:46:01 AM »

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Originally posted by Nilsen
Some nations actually respects international law Jackal1

That`s exactly my point. Some DON`T.
It sort of makes the issue at hand null and void when the time comes.

"Some" being the key here.

Nilsen · « **Reply #76 on:** October 18, 2005, 08:47:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Jackal1
That`s exactly my point. Some DON`T.
It sort of makes the issue at hand null and void when the time comes.

So nobody should bother with them because some don't?

Jackal1 · « **Reply #77 on:** October 18, 2005, 08:49:59 AM »

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Originally posted by Nilsen
So nobody should bother with them because some don't?

You can "bother with them" all you wish, but when you are involved in an event such as this it doesn`t help much.

Nilsen · « **Reply #78 on:** October 18, 2005, 08:52:47 AM »

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Originally posted by Jackal1
You can "bother with them" all you wish, but when you are involved in an event such as this it doesn`t help much.

In this event all nations involved follows internationl law. Its an individual that broke it and will be prosecuted by one or both nations. It is not a Russia vs Norway issue.

Jackal1 · « **Reply #79 on:** October 18, 2005, 08:54:04 AM »

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Originally posted by Nilsen
In this event all nations involved follows internationl law. Its an individual that broke it and will be prosecuted by one or both nations. It is not a Russia vs Norway issue.

Ummmm Hmmmm. Sure they will.

Boroda · « **Reply #80 on:** October 18, 2005, 09:09:17 AM »

The radiogram from Elektron to Arctic Sea Administration said that Norwegians are dropping fire-bombs on the trowler, point guns at it, and that in case they will open fire - captain will try to ram them, and the crew will be rescued by another trowler that follows Elektron. They also say they make photos of attacks.

Looks like they think they are brig Mercury or steam-boat Vesta

I hope they'll not end up like patrol-ship Tuman...

Nilsen, I have been to Murmansk in 1994, and was on board of a similar trowler, crew members told us that they always have two Norvegian fishing inspectors on board, who monitor fishing areas and other things. At that time such an inspector got $200 daily, more then the whole crew of the trowler in 1994. Maybe they mean that they hold such inspectors, not a landing party from coast guard? How did they get on board during a severe storm?

How could an unarmed crew of a trowler detain coast cuard officers? Are this officers chosen from pacifist gun-haters? I'll not be surprised if they simply sit with Russian sailors and drink

without understanding that they are "kidnapped".

Kidnapping is a severe crime here. They definetly will be under investigation when they'll return to Murmansk.

Masherbrum · « **Reply #81 on:** October 18, 2005, 09:17:44 AM »

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Originally posted by Nilsen
The Russian Northern Fleet has now sent warships and aircraft to help the Tawler. 3 more Norwegian coastguard vessels have now joined in the persuit of the trawler.

The russians have ensured our government that they will not interfer with the Norwegian coastguards efforts to get their inspectors back.

Russian press has reported that the coastguard has fired on the trawler

Get out there on your boat and give us Live Coverage damnit!!!! Nilsen you could be the Walter Cronkite of Norway!

Karaya

Masherbrum · « **Reply #82 on:** October 18, 2005, 09:20:42 AM »

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Originally posted by Jackal1
"International law" is a hoot. Law by and for who? Recognized by what countries?
Sort of like going to war with a country and expecting the Geneva Convention rules to be followed and adhered to in a country that does not recognize these rule, nor claim to follow or recognize these rules.
When it comes down to it, you do what you feel have to do.

Crawl back into your cave, violence is not always needed to get a point across. Jackal, you can be very juvenile at times. You having flashbacks of your adolescence again?

Karaya

Jackal1 · « **Reply #83 on:** October 18, 2005, 09:32:53 AM »

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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Crawl back into your cave, violence is not always needed to get a point across. Jackal, you can be very juvenile at times. You having flashbacks of your adolescence again?

Karaya

Are you dillusional or what?
Point to any mention of violence.
Reading lessons maybe?

YOU can be.........well......inept at times.

Nilsen · « **Reply #84 on:** October 18, 2005, 09:39:58 AM »

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Originally posted by Jackal1
Ummmm Hmmmm. Sure they will.

Yup an investigation is already underway and they havent reached port yet.

Nilsen · « **Reply #85 on:** October 18, 2005, 09:41:28 AM »

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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Get out there on your boat and give us Live Coverage damnit!!!! Nilsen you could be the Walter Cronkite of Norway!

Karaya

8-9 meter waves and a storm is abit much for my "dingy" but not a bad idea

Jackal1 · « **Reply #86 on:** October 18, 2005, 09:42:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Nilsen
Yup an investigation is already underway and they havent reached port yet.

LMAO
Yep, it will be a long one I`m sure with no results other than one side saying this, the other side saying that and all resulting in nothing.

Nilsen · « **Reply #87 on:** October 18, 2005, 09:46:51 AM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
The radiogram from Elektron to Arctic Sea Administration said that Norwegians are dropping fire-bombs on the trowler, point guns at it, and that in case they will open fire - captain will try to ram them, and the crew will be rescued by another trowler that follows Elektron. They also say they make photos of attacks.

Looks like they think they are brig Mercury or steam-boat Vesta I hope they'll not end up like patrol-ship Tuman...

Nilsen, I have been to Murmansk in 1994, and was on board of a similar trowler, crew members told us that they always have two Norvegian fishing inspectors on board, who monitor fishing areas and other things. At that time such an inspector got $200 daily, more then the whole crew of the trowler in 1994. Maybe they mean that they hold such inspectors, not a landing party from coast guard? How did they get on board during a severe storm?

How could an unarmed crew of a trowler detain coast cuard officers? Are this officers chosen from pacifist gun-haters? I'll not be surprised if they simply sit with Russian sailors and drink without understanding that they are "kidnapped".

Kidnapping is a severe crime here. They definetly will be under investigation when they'll return to Murmansk.

They boarded on saturday when the weather was better for a routine inspection. I have seen that they are _sometimes_ armed, but even if they was it sometimes is smarter to try diplomacy until there is no more hope. If things got really ugly they could just radio the coastguard vessels and tell them to get closer. They have survival suits on so they could jump overboard if the coasties had a RIB ready to pick them up.. Not the best solution in bad weather, but maybe better than shooting the Russian crew.

Nilsen · « **Reply #88 on:** October 18, 2005, 09:49:20 AM »

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Originally posted by Jackal1
LMAO
Yep, it will be a long one I`m sure with no results other than one side saying this, the other side saying that and all resulting in nothing.

If they don't comply they will loose their license to fish and that is more expencive in the long run than the fine. That boat has lost it before back in 2001.

Jackal1 · « **Reply #89 on:** October 18, 2005, 09:54:51 AM »

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Originally posted by Nilsen
If they don't comply they will loose their license to fish and that is more expencive in the long run than the fine. That boat has lost it before back in 2001.

Once again ..Ummmmm Hmmmmmm. You have made my point.