Author Topic: Cal Prop 75 Is A Lie (Read 1668 times)

Tarmac · « **Reply #30 on:** October 31, 2005, 12:26:56 AM »

ROFL, he just called funked a democrat!

SOB · « **Reply #31 on:** October 31, 2005, 12:32:11 AM »

LOL, Funky the Democrat. You should quit the mind-reading gig, Laser, and find a different line of work.

Mini D · « **Reply #32 on:** October 31, 2005, 07:21:56 AM »

Though, you must admit that funky is doing his best "Tom Tuttle from Tacoma" impersonation right now. It's as if the union has trapped him in the jungles and re-programmed him.

Otherwise he'd be cosidering if it's a matter of the state reviewing who has/hasn't "registered" or if it's a matter of following up on individual complaints.

Something like this is as simply as setting up a tiered dues system as opposed to the complete and total honor system the unions currently use. I don't know why anyone wouldn't trust the honor system.

lazs2 · « **Reply #33 on:** October 31, 2005, 07:43:36 AM »

hey funky... show me the boxes where I am suppossed to check to opt out of having my dues money go to your commie candidates..

I called my frigging public employees union and there is no way right now that I can opt out of supporting diane finestein or boxer... they told me that my "choice" was that I get to pick a union rep from the parade of commies.

I am only in the union because my crew is and it seems fair to support since they are the only barganing unit.

If prop 75 does not pass then I will simply opt out and quit the union. I can no longer support the commies that they give my money to.

prop 75 would allow every union member to continue to support your socialist buddies like finestein and ted kennedy if the union member so chose..

there is nothing in the prop that is a lie. To say that we allready have choice is a lie...

and... if some, like you do... why not pass it so that everyone has the same choice.... please tell me how 75 would be in the least unfair. How is giving people choice on supporting political causes with their own money unfair?

lazs

lazs2 · « **Reply #34 on:** October 31, 2005, 07:47:25 AM »

and... I support all the govs inititives.

vote yes on 73-77 and no on 78 79

unless you are a commie buddy of ted kennedy and diane finestein.

lazs

MiloMorai · « **Reply #35 on:** October 31, 2005, 07:56:49 AM »

lazs2, can you really opt out of your union? Here if the 'shop' is union (not all though), you still have to pay union dues and have NO SAY in any union business.

lazs2 · « **Reply #36 on:** October 31, 2005, 08:05:22 AM »

yep... we can opt out... it is rare but ours allows it... it was part of the deal when we changed unions..

here is another hint for you union guys.... ALLWAYS drop your current union a year before negotiations... the new union will try their best at negotiations to impress you... the old one will allmost allways sit on their fat butt or sell you down the river... unions only try for the first year or so.

lazs

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #37 on:** October 31, 2005, 08:12:23 AM »

That's too bad you belong to an illegal union. You guys should wise up and consult law enforcement or an attorney. But I guess you guys are too busy failing in your duties to the public. I think it's time to privatize all water treatment. You socialists are threatening our precious bodily fluids.

lazs2 · « **Reply #38 on:** October 31, 2005, 08:35:19 AM »

national resourses defense fund? LOL.... you sure know the lefty sites since you became a teacher... gonna go out on a whale watch with greenpeace too?

hey... I got no problem with privatization... I bid against em all the time... How bout you try to compete against real private schools in a real way with vouchers? I bid why don't you? is it because without the leftist politicos you support and force others to support that you are afraid people would get some choice in who teaches their kids? You are doing a horrible job so naturally you don't want any competition.... I must be doing an ok job since the competion loses the bid....

see how simple it all is? Protecting a job that you are doing badly is evil. but...

You never answered the question (big surprise there)...

What have you got against people haveing the right to choose or.... if you think that they do now.... what have you got against them getting a form to sign one way or the other?

You claim that you have boxes to check... I gurantee that most public employees never get any paperwork...

Why not make what you seem to get the law?

lazs

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #39 on:** October 31, 2005, 08:44:30 AM »

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Why not make what you seem to get the law?

It already IS the law. Why don't you guys fix your own union instead of wasting everyone's else time with all this proposition bs and creepy government reporting system?

BigGun · « **Reply #40 on:** October 31, 2005, 11:24:35 AM »

Big difference with this Prop is it makes people Opt IN & requires the union folks to prove it, versus requiring people to Opt OUT. I look at it as a measure to protect against unions illegally, corruptly influencing elections.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #41 on:** October 31, 2005, 11:25:31 AM »

Funked, I already pointed out the difference between the current law and the new law.

Are you scared that unions will have to make an actual honest effort to find money to give to left candidates?

lazs2 · « **Reply #42 on:** October 31, 2005, 12:48:54 PM »

no... it is not the law... there is no law that requires unions to give us the forms to choose if we want contributions to go to the union or not..

And... what government lists? if it is indeed a law now that unions keep track of and remove political contributions from those who would ask tem to do so....

then the government allready has a LIST... if they don't have a list then the law is meaningless.... don't you get it? How does the governement check for compliance currently if there is no requirement to keep lists?

Soooo.... your fear about lists is just so much union fear tactic.

and... who would be afraid to be on a list that listed them as not wishing to contribute to a political candidate picked by someone else?

You do realize that... because you belong to a union that has those checkboxes..... you have put yourself on a "list".... you allready are on one.

no matter what.. the "list" would not say anything more than you did not wish to contribute to any political cause chosen by your union. It simply says that you will use your money for whoever you please.

Sooo... what other thing do you find so bad about giving people choice?

lazs

rshubert · « **Reply #43 on:** October 31, 2005, 01:08:43 PM »

<------(munches popcorn, reflecting on the goodness of Providence, in that he neither lives in Kalifornia nor belongs to a union.)

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #44 on:** October 31, 2005, 01:57:53 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
no... it is not the law...

Communications Workers v. Beck.

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And... what government lists?

You didn't even read the proposition, did you.

Why would a rugged individualist as yourself would want to create a redundant law and a redundant layer of bureaucracy to enforce it? .

Hell, you can't even be arsed to read the proposition or learn about the existing law. Is it just laziness? I don't understand people who expect the government to solve all their problems