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Offline Creamo

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« Reply #30 on: December 15, 2000, 02:24:00 PM »
Anybody letting a F4U shoot them at over 300yrds is asleep, watching CNN, grabbin a snack, or most likaly not being defensive. Im really into a good pilot if they actually turn that blue pigs nose at your 6. At 800-900 Ive lost a flap or something but I was in "X" level. Any movment of the plane makes it virtually impossible to hit. In a HO, they will devastate you, but even there a jink or G pull in any direction is good.

I do know for a fact, they kill Osti's dead, and Ive never had any luck with any other plane doing that. A horde of F4U's got me 5-0 in a Osti last night.


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« Reply #31 on: December 15, 2000, 02:43:00 PM »
There are several reasons why those supposed "miracle shots" happen.

One, they usually happen on the deck. Yanno, yer in a bad situation so ya try to extend? Hit X to accelerate as fast as possible?

Well the ground makes a PERFECT backdrop for ranging to your plane. They just walk the shells up to you.

The 1C has the enormous ammo load, so they can spray 400 rounds and they still have enough cannon shells left to kill 3 or 4 more planes. So ammo isn't an issue to them

In the said situation, the tail is the most likely thing the cannon shells are going to hit. And it usually only takes one hit (somethimes two or 3) to take off the horizontal or vertical stab.

Getting those shots isn't hard. It's possible in nearly any plane. The less lead you throw up the harder it is to hit of course. The .50s are rather easy to hit planes with out to 1.1k or so. They just don't do anything at that range.

Off to make films, hitting and getting hit at that ranges is the norm from me, and it isn't just from the 1C and .50 planes.

Also, Beurling might of been said the be the "best shot of the war" but bunch of the pilots in the 357rd FG (Anderson, Yeager, Bochkay, O'Brien, Browning) all had at least one kill past 600 yards (Yeager had 3, one at 800 yard, one slightly farther) most with short bursts. Then again they also had kills at 50 feet too  


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« Reply #32 on: December 15, 2000, 02:46:00 PM »
 
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Leave it to RAM to spend 1/2 a page rambling and ad aboslutely nothing to the conversation.

No RAM, nobody is cutting Grunherz up.  I dispute some of his claims, but not him.  In fact I welcome the discussion, I think it helps clear a few things up.

BTW, nobody else is going to get treated the way you do.  No one else is willing to post that much drivel... they just don't have the time to build that kind of a reputation.    


oh I did aport things in my post. That the hispanos have highly unrealistic performances, due both the impossible ammount of damage they do, and the fact that the range markers and lack of breech heating dispersion effects make long range spray&pray shooting practical (for me anything away from 700 yards in AA gun combat is long range.)

As a side note, no, you aren't cutting him...for now, and because you have others to cut   . I dont mind to be seen like I am, I know my part, I fly peacefully under an unknown handle , and I keep on doing that impressive and unforgivable thing in this forum:

to say what I think.

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Creamo, no, not always you are seeing CNN. Sometimes you have to do that little nasty thing called "to extend", and not always the pilot are able to do STRONG evasives, as a C-hog is quite a fast plane and not many planes in AH are faster on deck level (where I am hit by the 99% of the longer-than-700 yard shots) than it. [edit for Jig] Deck level means something from 0 feet to 3K. So no range-by-dust hits here[/edit]


 Add to that, that sometimes you have more than one bandit on your six and all you can do is to jink a bit.

But if the dweeb throws his 800 rounds to the air, he is going to hit you FOR SURE as the ballistics in AH are PERFECT (no air dispersion ,no heating cannon effect NO GUN JAMMING ON LONG BURSTS- and I recall here that Hispanos were never very reliable weapons in jamming matters-), and you have a laser rangefinder that tells the gunner the exact ranges on increments of ONE yard up to 1K.

Simply said, lephturn said that here we are way better gunners than our reallife counterparts. I say that we are crap compared with them ,as we rely on an ultra-accurate rangefinder, perfect ballistics, no atmospherical effects, no wind effects, and a perfect zooming ability that I doubt even T-1000 on Terminator2 movie had.

Just try to kick off the icons and lets see how much does people hit, ok?.



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« Reply #33 on: December 15, 2000, 02:54:00 PM »
Do two 1/2 page ramblings, equal one whole page of rambling?


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« Reply #34 on: December 15, 2000, 02:57:00 PM »
Oh and as far as Hispanos vs armor, I don't theres any kinda of calculations in the damage model (hell there's barely a rough armor model on them at all) taking into account impact angle. Thats probably the most important factor in penetration, because even a mega-uber 128mm kwk isn't going to penetrate very well if it's at a glanceing angle (which are presently the angles from which planes attack, or into the thickest parts of the armor)

8 round rocket slavos were the primary AT technique used by Typhoons, because they liked blowing up convoys, railyards, pill boxs, bunkers, etc with the cannons  

Knocking out engines through the grilling is a little more complicated then is seems because of the angle relation of the Typhoon attack, most of the shells would land against the firewall and go over the top of the engine. The further the attacking pilot increases his perpendicular angle to the ground (for a flatter aspect shot to the top) the less time he has on target and the greater his chance of augering. Not to mention trees, powerlines, etc.

But that's just real world tactics vs AH, which are rarely the same  

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« Reply #35 on: December 15, 2000, 03:01:00 PM »
"...That the hispanos have highly unrealistic performances"

 Prove it RAM. Put your money where your mouth is and just prove it.
 Just what is off?  The trajectory? It's kinetic energy? Explosive damage it is able to deliver? Rate of fire? What is it that is off?   Your perception of what they should be like or the actual numbers on the gun that shows  Pyro or HiTech are oblivious to the error?   Now even I'm getting tired of your posts like this.

 I'm not backing whether they are accurate or not. I'm just tired of this anecdotal roadkill that gets spewed by some folks that they are fudged. Because people don't like how much easier they allow other planes shoot them down or that they out perform thier favorite aircrafts guns.

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« Reply #36 on: December 15, 2000, 03:03:00 PM »
 
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Do two 1/2 page ramblings, equal one whole page of rambling?

Are those RAMblings?  

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« Reply #37 on: December 15, 2000, 03:31:00 PM »
 
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"...That the hispanos have highly unrealistic performances"

 Prove it RAM. Put your money where your mouth is and just prove it.
 Just what is off?  The trajectory? It's kinetic energy? Explosive damage it is able to deliver? Rate of fire?

It is that two pings do fatal damage on a Fw190A5 from 300 yards while a load of them from mausers at 150 yards,don't.

As simple as that.

And yes, the current hispano lacks one of the main qualities of the real life hispano: its lack of reliability.

I said what I had to say, and I wont make the error to go in a piss contest against all of you, joking funny guys. The simple presence of the F4U1-C is demential enough, but their hispanos are worse than turbolasers.

I made my point and I have nothing more to say.

Tonight I will fly along all of you and you will not know who am I. I know that many of you are pissed because you miserably failed in your predictions that after 2 days I would be recognized.

2 weeks, going on, and only the ones I want know it. And, whatever your name-calling, joking, funny thing, whatever, is, none of you will achieve to do one thing:

to achieve me not saying what I think.

Time for me to get out of this thread. Happy witch-hunting ,all of you.

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« Reply #38 on: December 15, 2000, 03:40:00 PM »
Ram u funny guy!

Unmask yerself so that I may slap u silly
for old times sake  

What is a grnhrn anyway?

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« Reply #39 on: December 15, 2000, 03:42:00 PM »
Tards.
LOL.

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« Reply #40 on: December 15, 2000, 03:46:00 PM »
"It is that two pings do fatal damage on a Fw190A5 from 300 yards while a load of them from mausers at 150 yards don't. As simple as that."

 And as simple as that is it's obvious where your problem is. You're basing your opinion that the Hispano has "highly unrealistic performaces" because the Mauser does not seem to be as good or better than the Hispano.

 And you wonder why HTC won't respond to you or anyone else who bases thier suspicions on a "feeling" or comparison to another aircraft/bomb/weapon.
 All you succeed in doing is shooting yourself in the foot.

 As for folks who say, "fine!  they'll vote with their $$$."  I say god riddance. By insisting HTC build AH on conjecture or feeling as the yard stick your onmly holding up the $30/mo and saying if you don;t do it how I feel it should be doine then I'm taking this away. That's black mail. I'm sure HTC would jump at the chance to correct something that was deficient or in error if they had real evidence that somethings was askew.

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« Reply #41 on: December 15, 2000, 03:55:00 PM »
 Yeager,  Grnhrn is short for Greenhorn. He is a friend from AW. Whels, MrLars and Vermillion can vouch for him. He's not RAM or anyone else in "shades." A very nice guy who likes to get along with folks and have a fun. You'll narely ever see him say a hostile thing to anyone. Loves online WWII aircombat just like the rest of us.  

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« Reply #42 on: December 15, 2000, 04:00:00 PM »
The USN fount that there was 1 stoppage per 5000 rounds fired.

Thats not THAT unreliable.

The way you anti-Hispano guys talk you'd think they suffered stoppages every 50 rounds fired.

A Spitfire, with its 240 rounds, has a 4.8% chance of having a stoppage.  Just to give it some perspective, thats 1 in 21 flights.

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« Reply #43 on: December 15, 2000, 04:37:00 PM »
Jeez Karnak, don't do anything as rational as bring in actual facts!!

Strange RAM, you say that MG151/20's don't kill, but when I fly the 109G10 with gondola's it kills just as effectively as the Hispano's within 400 yards.

Just ask Ammo   I shredded his P47 from 300 yesterday with a single 1 second burst.

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« Reply #44 on: December 15, 2000, 04:50:00 PM »
I have been killed at these distances. dont try and claim grunhertz is imagining things.
why is it i dont see spits ot typhoons hitting me at these distances?  

Something has to be done on this.
If Htc posted their info the arguements would end.
CALL ME PARANOID OR WHATEVER..
but my personal veiw is the cosair being the favourite of the americans has had the most favourable specs modeled.Nowhere have i personally read accounts of its amazing ability to perform so well.Ive have read accounts by pilots stateing that it was big,heavy,fast and hard hitting (with .50s in the article) Pilots talked of keeping fast and 'never' turning with the enemy.
we have the F4c model!
200 odd made but freely available in AH.
The hispanos were good guns from what ive read but in the same book there was a bold statement about the german 30mm being able to totally destroy an aircraft with 1 round! There are no such stories of the hispano.
All the books ive read over the years have given me my view on aircraft/weapons etc and I have always had the impression that the LW aircraft were ahead of their time and superior in performance (at different stages)but were in short supply (late in war)and so ineffectual.Well we are not short of supply/numbers in AH so why isnt everyone flying them? because they are considerably poorer in performance than thier allied counterparts(in AH with possible niki exception).
Hispanos were good i accept..better than mg151? not according to the pilots that faced mg151's and if anything there is more mentions of jams with hispanos than praise of their ability to hit at extreme range.

So PLEASE someone show me where is this FABLED DATA???what do you people base your statements on? have you ever flown these planes? fired the guns? i very much doubt it...so show us where you learned the info

I was thinking that when the perk system arrives how about we make any aircraft with a lower than 400 production a perk plane?
Id be happy(!) to be shot with overmodelled guns if i knew the guy flying them had earned a flight in it.I'd overlook the fact that i think they are lasers.

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