There if we have a rate of even 5 homicides per 100,000 then if you take out the black population (of which england has little 2-3% tops) you get about 2.5 at most per 100,000...
No Lazs. What you are doing there is counting black people towards the overall population, but not towards the murder total.
If 242 million white people commit about 8,000 murders, then the rate is about 3.3, not 2 or 2.5.
There if we have a rate of even 5 homicides per 100,000 then if you take out the black population (of which england has little 2-3% tops) you get about 2.5 at most per 100,000...
What you are doing is taking the murder rate and halving it because half the murders are committed by blacks. You do realise that exactly the same method says that the murder rate by black people is also 2.75 per 100,000, don't you? After all, if the US murder rate is 5.5, and blacks are committing half the murders, then the black murder rate must be 2.75 as well, mustn't it?
What you are doing, of course, is excluding the murders committed by a segment of the population,
but including that segment of the population in the population total.
Whites in the US commit about 8,000 murders, for a rate of about 3.3 per 100,000.
england is like 1.7 with 1.7 vs 2.5.
1.7 vs 3.3, if you use real figures, rather than made up ones.
it's really not worth getting all excited about... and... taking out our blacks still leaves more minortity population than is found in the UK... it does not get rid of the poor either.
It gets rid of a large percentage of them.
if... we took out every police death caused by a black I am sure the police death rate would be very low also.
According to the FBI, about half the murders of police officers are by whites. That would mean white people murder police officers in the US about 3.5 times more often than all ethnic groups murder police officers in the UK.
And what if we took out the murders of police officers by black people in the UK?
Going through the list from the last 5 years, of the 9 police officers murdered in the UK, 2 were killed by white people, one by an Arab, 5 by black people and 1 I can't find the race of the murderer.
Murdered by black offenders:
Sharon Beshenivsky
Michael Swindells
Bryan Reginald Moore
Andrew Carl Munn
Malcolm Edward Walker
Murdered by white offenders:
Gerald Walker
Stephen Oake (murdered by an Arab, suspected Al Qaida operative)
Ian Nigel Broadhurst (murdered by an American)
Race of killer unkown:
Alison Armitage
So you can more than halve the rate of murders of police officers in the UK as well by excluding black people, even if you include Al Qaida and Americans, meaning white people in the US murder policemen at 7 times the rate of white people in the UK.
It is pathetic to think that there are men out there that think they are better off losing the right to defend themselves
Who are these people who have lost the right to defend themselves? I haven't. In fact, I don't even have a duty to retreat before defending myself, as applies in large parts of the US.
My point is that taking the white population of the U.S. Guns don't make us any more or less murderous than any other country
Apart from the fact that white people in the US have twice the murder rate of ALL people in the UK, and white people in the US murder police officers at more than 7 times the rate in the UK.
1 or 2 more or less killings per 100,000 is meaningless tho to the poor old infirm man in his apartment when the home invasion happens
Not if he's one of the people getting murdered. Because the US has more people murdered in their own homes during home invasions than the UK does.
Lazs - the FBI provides racial profiling for comparative purposes. I know your knowledge of statistics is pretty exhaustive,
Lazs gets his statistics from pro gun lobby groups and authors, and by making them up. Note his "2 per 100,000 white murder rate", which he gets by claiming the US murder rate is 4 (it's 5.5 according to the FBI) then halving it, without realising (or admitting) that the whole population of the US isn't white (he realises that when looking at the number of murders, but forgets it when looking at the population to get his "per 100,000" figures)