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« Reply #75 on: December 22, 2005, 04:38:50 PM »
Yes, 5% is close to full employment. But if you also go and read report after report they are also talking about how the average household income is going down.

Lot of people have lost jobs and while employed are now working for a significant less amount.

Also as for the trade deficit .. bingo. America is a consumer nation now. Our economy whether the recession not do to corporate america and their purchases or hiring practices or whatever measure but do to consumer consumption.

Remember that George Bush was the 2nd president in history that had a term where the number of employed americans was less than at the start of his term. In his second term job growth has recovered, to what an extent can be debated. However, it is not the case that people the majority of people have gone on to better paying jobs. They got jobs but they are making less.

Cost of living has gotten much higher than it was (the value of my house has gone up 120% in 4 years).

So things cost more and more to purchase, to live, etc. while they make less. Corporations rely on cheap labor outside the country to make their products and services but charge the same or more than they did before but rely on the consumer to keep buying and paying the same price.

There will come a point that the consumer simply can't continue to buy since they no longer have the money.

It happened in Japan .. people became so strapped that they only shelled out money for the essentials and a viscious cycle of deflation kicked in. Where companies had to keep reducing the cost of their products in the hope somebody would by and at the same time letting go workers .. reducing the pool of people with money to buy.

Replace me with somebody that makes $6 an hour, I get a job that makes $12 an hour instead of $20 an hour and corporations expect me to still spend like I was earning $20 and to pay for their products that cost them less to make but still the same price.

Yeah, right.

Fine reap the short term profit but they are destroying their market.

What other country are they going to be able to turn to an sell their services and products to at the price they charge in the U.S.?
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« Reply #76 on: December 22, 2005, 05:13:41 PM »
You know what's funny?

Most people who argue that labor should stay in the USA are the same folks who add millions to WalMarts portfolio by shopping there where the items are cheaper, than their local hometown market.

Businesses are trying to stay competitive by cutting their bottom lines.  Labor, insurances, etc.

Its one thing to call others scabs and hipocrites.  Its quite another to remove your head from the sand, look around and see that people will always go to whomever can offer product X cheaper than the other.

Dont shame the businesses for chasing the dollar.  Shame the population.

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« Reply #77 on: December 22, 2005, 06:05:55 PM »
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If you are someone that is working at a low level manufacturing job where it is probable the same thing will be produced in tiawan at a lower costs, highly likely it is because you made decisions some point in your life that got you to where you are.


I guess everyone should have either an MBA or a broom.

The other side of the coin, is that we have a "global economy" yet corporate influence in Washington makes sure that we do not hold these global partners to the same ecological, worker safety and compensation standards that we feel are just and fair -- and in some cases moral -- at home. Who benefits?

1. The politicians have full campaign coffers.

2. The corporate officers that receive enormous compensation for their performance in these areas (long term impact need not apply).

3. Those with the surplus money to invest

4. I suppose consumers get to save .30 on that singing plastic lawn gnome at Wally-World that breaks in 3 months from slipshod quality and with no customer support. Of course, as wages are stretched downwards it becomes a vicious circle - you need to save to survive.

5. Foreign nationals able to earn fast wood server wages writing code (better than nothing, fer sure I guess).

Now, I personally could give a **** about #s 1, 2, 4, 5 and like # 3 IF the investments promote long term benefits to the country (such as driving new localized development that creates jobs and an increased tax base in the US), and not just benefits a shrinking "gated community" subset of the country. So, who loses?

Employment is still high, but we are definitely working to bring that “Taiwan” standard of worker (even white collar) compensation to America. And, we are giving away intellectual capital and marketing know how, likely future marketshare, and critical competitive "know how" to people who will cease to become “partners” as soon as they can get aligned to become fierce competitors. Some of the Chinese Joint ventures I’ve looked will benefit the Chinese FAR more than the American partner -- but there is that “promise” of access to that “vast” Chinese market (that, of course, will ultimately be met by the Chinese companies themselves once they suck all the capitalistic know how they can from us).

So for me… Free market but international agreements that provide at least somewhat of a level playing field (not perfectly level, just marginally level) between the developed and developing countries.

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« Reply #78 on: December 22, 2005, 06:22:31 PM »
Good Point LePaul.

BigGun... I am not one in a low level manufacturing job and I'm really not worried my job will be replaced or outsourced. I will have a job at the company I work at as long as it is in business. I make a very good salary for a middle-class American that is just shy of six figures.

Unlike you, I care what the rest of the American people have available to them, even if they are less fortunate in their education and oppurtunities. I do agree with you that many Americans are in poor situations through their own actions, but corporate greed have put too many in bad situations just because the execs and share holders wanted to squeeze a couple more cents per share for themselves.

How is it that you or corprate America can justify multi-million dollar bonus programs to execs right after rank-and-file employees have their benefits cut, or their salaries frozen or reduced? That is the biggest fraud and so blatently selfish it makes me sick to think those people call themselves American.

Why don't some of the corporate money-hounds take a pay cut to make the books look better and show some more profits for the share-holders? Oh wait, You all think your better than everyone else, so why should you reduce your pay when you can cut everyone elses... :mad:

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« Reply #79 on: December 22, 2005, 06:57:05 PM »
well.. thats cool idea... but can i make it shorter ?
like... 'Boycott US companies" ? :D

anyway did you see china's IT export rise in 2005 ?
It rose by 40% or so and moved US on the second place :)

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« Reply #80 on: December 22, 2005, 07:16:47 PM »
I find it interesting how stockholders are all laisser-faire untill an Enron, Kmart or soon to be Delphi happens, Then they want all kinds of government investigations into this "obvious fraud" and file petitions to get moved up on the creditors lists, human nature I guess :).

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« Reply #81 on: December 22, 2005, 07:17:23 PM »
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well.. thats cool idea... but can i make it shorter ?
like... 'Boycott US companies" ? :D

anyway did you see china's IT export rise in 2005 ?
It rose by 40% or so and moved US on the second place :)

Now please do explain, my democratic friend, why that makes you smile? Maybe we can see the real "iron curtain" within you?

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« Reply #82 on: December 23, 2005, 07:10:53 AM »
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Now please do explain, my democratic friend, why that makes you smile? Maybe we can see the real "iron curtain" within you?


Do you speak about that note related to chinese ?

ummmm why shall i be happy about economic success of US ?

Whats wrong about being happy with Chinese success ?
Shall i hate them, plot agains them, because they are commies ?


edit: well this time it was with translator... ummm few letters were missing... you decryptor is quite useless. ;)
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« Reply #83 on: December 23, 2005, 08:27:20 AM »
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Do you speak about that note related to chinese ?

ummmm why shall i be happy about economic success of US ?

Whats wrong about beeing happy about Chinese success ?
Shall i hate them plot agains them because they are commies ?
You gotta stop using those online translators and learn english dude, I have no idea what you just said...


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« Reply #84 on: December 23, 2005, 08:54:59 AM »
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You gotta stop using those online translators and learn english dude, I have no idea what you just said...



done. give it another try.

is it before or after he became beliver ?

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« Reply #85 on: December 23, 2005, 12:11:53 PM »
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and the other story of the moral is the fact that those jobs are dwindlin as tech advances allow everything to be done from somewhere else - cheaper when the locals at those locations work for peanuts er a bowl of rice... I guess there will always be the need for garbage men and bag boys, hard to outsource those positions...today


Or an electrician, or a carpenter, or a pipefitter/plumber, but you actually have to work and not sit on your prettythang at a desk posting on the internet
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« Reply #86 on: December 23, 2005, 06:11:42 PM »
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and not sit on your prettythang at a desk posting on the internet


But thats where all the big buck overpaided jobs are! :D




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I find it interesting how stockholders are all laisser-faire untill an Enron, Kmart or soon to be Delphi happens, Then they want all kinds of government investigations into this "obvious fraud" and file petitions to get moved up on the creditors lists, human nature I guess .



Isn't it though. It would be interesting to see all the large corporations investigated. I bet we would be suprised just how crooked they are. Well, not surprised, but it would be fun to see it out in the open.


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« Reply #87 on: December 23, 2005, 06:22:02 PM »
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But thats where all the big buck overpaided jobs are! :D




 

 

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« Reply #88 on: December 23, 2005, 07:07:05 PM »
..and he ain't a sellout, like you; Rip.
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« Reply #89 on: December 23, 2005, 07:15:03 PM »
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Or an electrician, or a carpenter, or a pipefitter/plumber, but you actually have to work and not sit on your prettythang at a desk posting on the internet


yep, turning into a service industry nation ... using ones back instead of ones brain
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