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« Reply #30 on: January 05, 2006, 12:45:44 PM »
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The -4 doesn't have cannon, so its use would probably stay fairly insignificant.


Well, the 4th, 11th, and 12th planes on the list for last month only use .50s, so while cannon-armed planes generally dominate, they do not do so exclusively.  The F4U-1D took the 12th spot, and I imagine that most of the F4U-1D pilots would switch to the -4 upon unperking.  It would likely draw off some of the 51 and F6F fans as well.  Thus in all likelihood the F4U-4 could end up solidly in the middle of the top 10 every tour, but it would do so at the expense of other .50-armed planes rather than absorbing players from other cannon-armed planes like the La7 or Spit XVI.

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« Reply #31 on: January 05, 2006, 12:53:09 PM »
If the C-Hog were unperked it'd see a lot of action. A lot. It is the Big Bad HO Beast simply because of all that freakin' ammo. And it'd be the pork plane of choice.

Ta152 ... sucks.

Spit14 ... with the 16 free, at least drop the cost of this plane.

F4U4 ... I test flew this offline and still don't see anything all that Uber about it. It's nice, and if it were less expensive I'd use it. But I agree that the 6 .50's will limit its appeal to the MA regulars.

My take on this is that perk system has far too few planes in the "nickel and dime" category. I think the Spit16, Spit14, F4U4, Ta152, P51D, and La7 should all cost 2 to 4 perks; the C-Hog should drop to around 8. If the Fw's ever gets fixed, the D9 also falls into the 2-4 perk category. Just about anyone can afford 2 or 3 or 4 perks. And worst case you "fall back" to an La5, F6F, Spit8, N1K ... like that's any kind of punishment.

Jets need to stay expensive.

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« Reply #32 on: January 05, 2006, 12:59:24 PM »
Im in agreement with this post. I say try it for 1-2 tours. Cant hurt. It might actually help promote better CV deffence with the then free, beter climbing -4.


Dok, The Ta152 sucks yet you want it to be perked?

As that thing is right now, HT would have to pay me perks just to take off in it.
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« Reply #33 on: January 05, 2006, 01:15:39 PM »
I'd perk the Ta152 for a few reasons:

1) It was very rare.

2) Some day it may get fixed and not suck.

3) Unperked it's main role would be as (yet another) pork-runner plane, and that adds nothing to the game.

4) If it's not perked, then that opens up a barrel of whine about "Why didn't you perk any LW planes?! There's a conspiracy!!"


But I agree, in its current form the Ta152 is really sucky in more ways than I feel like listing.

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« Reply #34 on: January 05, 2006, 01:19:39 PM »
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Rather then unperk anything
I'd rather see the 16 perked somewhere along the lines of the Tempests as they should be


LOL has to be a troll?

You realise the XVI is only a 1943 LF IX with 50 cals ('e' wing)?

Not even a Griffon spit like the XIV, yet your suggesting perking it higher that a XIV, in fact closer to a Tempest.
Guess if it had been a clipped wing 1943 LF IX, you'd still be wanting it perked?
SAME FRICKIN PLANE apart from the 50cals.

ONLY reason it didn't get the same Mk number as the IX was because the engine was manfactured in the U.S. (Merlin 266) and required different tooling (US stds vs UK stds).

In fact they could have brought it in as a LF IXe, but to differentiate for icons in-game it was given the XVI designation.

So to summarise LF IXe is EXACTLY the same as XVI, it's not some monster Griffon engined Spit despite the Mk number being higher than the XIV.
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« Reply #35 on: January 05, 2006, 01:24:57 PM »
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I think the Spit16, Spit14, F4U4, Ta152, P51D, and La7 should all cost 2 to 4 perks; the C-Hog should drop to around 8. If the Fw's ever gets fixed, the D9 also falls into the 2-4 perk category


This would at least give perk points some meaning...

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« Reply #36 on: January 05, 2006, 01:37:43 PM »
I agree.  perhaps the arena would benefit from all late war rides being perked.  the 1944 rides under ten points, the 1945 rides more. the jet, rocket and tempest highly perked.

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« Reply #37 on: January 05, 2006, 01:42:34 PM »
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While I agree that the spit16 is the current favorite ma ride ,I see no reason to perk it. True it has great roll and good speed but if falls easy prey to vertical maneuvers.


You cannt be serious. Spit16 one of the best plane for vertical fight (not best but one of them). The clue is plane itself dont make anybody ace.

Of course, its not "the plane without faults", but very very good and easy plane.
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« Reply #38 on: January 05, 2006, 01:42:42 PM »
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I agree.  perhaps the arena would benefit from all late war rides being perked.  the 1944 rides under ten points, the 1945 rides more. the jet, rocket and tempest highly perked.


You have one big problem with that -
Look at the US/LW planesets.
You'd be perking 60% of each of them.

RAF is OK we'd only lose the 1944 XVI, but in that case it should get 25lbs boost to make it a true 1944 Spit, currently it performs no better than a 1943 LF IX.

If that happened I'd be all for perking 1944 and later stuff. (Not so sure US/LW fans would be so ready to accept it though)
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« Reply #39 on: January 05, 2006, 01:44:07 PM »
The reason the -4 is such a monster is that the only flaws to the -1 series is poor climb and poor acceleration. The -4 accelerates in the top 5 and climbs in the top 5. The only down side to the -4 is it doesnt have cannons and its short range in internal fuel.

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« Reply #40 on: January 05, 2006, 01:47:09 PM »
Agreed with unperking the Spit14, ta152 and F4-U4.  Leave the Chog poerked, but maybe not quite as costly.  

Good post Kweassa - Why shouldnt the elite USN plane be free if the elite LA7 and Spit are free?

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« Reply #41 on: January 05, 2006, 01:59:42 PM »
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I agree.  perhaps the arena would benefit from all late war rides being perked.  the 1944 rides under ten points, the 1945 rides more. the jet, rocket and tempest highly perked.


OK Storch did a quick check of what that would do to the 3 major planesets, this is what your left with free -

US
P-38G/J
P-40B/E
P-47D-11
P-51B
F4F-4
F4U-1

LW
109E-4
109F-4
109G-2
109G-6
190A-5

UK
Hurri I/IIC/IID
Spit IA/V/VIII/IX
Seafire IIc
Typhoon IB

It decimates the US/LW rides, while removing only the XVI from the RAF, I'm all for it.
What is does show is the lopsided late war bias towards the US/LW rides.

What you gonna do when the MA becomes full of P-51B's, Tiffys and 190A-5's?
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« Reply #42 on: January 05, 2006, 02:06:16 PM »
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The reason the -4 is such a monster is that the only flaws to the -1 series is poor climb and poor acceleration. The -4 accelerates in the top 5 and climbs in the top 5. The only down side to the -4 is it doesnt have cannons and its short range in internal fuel.


 You're thinking in Grits again, Grits! :D

 It's a monster for you. It's a monster for whoever knows how to fly F4Us.

 But think about it - if the average MA folk were people who knew how wonderfully diverse the plane set is, how some planes can be cleverly maneuvered with flaps, how the climb/accel advantage can be used, and etc etc.. they wouldn't be flocking to the Spit16s or La-7s in the first place.

 If they understood anything harder than;

* push E for engine, G for gear
* move stick, point direction and fire button
* nose down and run with the fastest planes or start turning with the turniest planes in the set

... then they'd be flying some other interesting planes. Only the real RAF fans who love Spits or real VVS fans who love Lavochkas and Yaks, would remain. And, only when something like that happens, will the arena suddenly be full of people who appreciate how planes like the 4hog, P-47s, 109s, 190s, and etc etc.. work in different ways to set up their fights - and suddenly the "super planes" like 4hogs would become a really dominant threat.

 But that's somewhat akin to expecting shrimps to evolve into sentient lobster-men within next 50 years...



 Again, if people understood some other reasons than fastest running away speed or easiest turning performance can also make planes 'monsters', then we wouldn't have a dominance/overuse problem with planes in the first place.

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« Reply #43 on: January 05, 2006, 02:24:17 PM »
Kweassa -
Part of you original post is flawed.

HT doesn't monitor sorites per plane, only kill/deaths. He has said he reckons its a good sign of plane usage.
If you look at the La7 over the last three tours its numbers are pretty consistant, therefore the XVI HASN'T decimated La7 usage what-so-ever.
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« Reply #44 on: January 05, 2006, 02:38:54 PM »
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But that's somewhat akin to expecting shrimps to evolve into sentient lobster-men within next 50 years...

Drat.  Another press leak.

Time to crank up another DOJ investigation.

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