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Offline Mugzeee

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« Reply #60 on: January 05, 2006, 05:58:58 PM »
I guess i dont actually understand the Perk system.
Its like evertime a particular AC get used heavly in the game..someone screams for the PERK GOD to punish the sins of the ppl. :D
Is there some threat to the AH2 drinking water? Maybe the Spit XVI causes cancer?
Dont get me wrong. I think the Spit XVI rocks! Its a FUN ride indeed.
But the Spit XVI can be killed, ran down and avoided easily in the MA invironment. What the heck is all the comotion about?

I dont fear the SpitXVI like i do some of the other MA planes...like the P38 (In the hands of a good 38 pilot),  Yak9U, Tempest, spit5, P51. I am prolly less than an average fighter pilot and i still have a K/D on of the Spit XVI of 2.0 Was killed by it 7 times...and killed it 14 times in the tour.
Perk it..dont Perk it..who realy cares? As far as the MA goes...its just another target.

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« Reply #61 on: January 05, 2006, 06:09:58 PM »
There are some really good points in here, and some points of view I hadn't really considered. However, other than making some of the 'vets' happy, I'm still not sure what it would do for gameplay. The people most likely to benefit from uber late war planes that are currently perked, are people who likely have massive amounts of perks banked. A free uber plane for the average MA target will not make them fly any differently. They'll act exactly as they do now, except in a faster plane. I have enough trouble taking on the standard mixture of La7s, N1Ks, 16s, and cherry picking ponies. Having to do the same thing, except dodging Tempests, -4s, 152s, jets, ICBMs etc would pretty much suck.

On the other hand, while I personally might enjoy an arena in which late war planes tend to be perked, many might not (read that, the slackjawed masses will whine until we're all deaf). The problem with a majority of planes being perked, is that it takes all of the newbs currently flying La7s, 16s, and N1Ks (whom I'll readily admit I'm culling with a HOicane to increase my own supply of perks), and sticks them in early/mid war planes, and forces them to compete against the seasoned players in superior rides. Such a setup would undoubtedly run off many of HTC's prospective clients, and HTC obviously likes having customers. I think.

Anyway, it's an interesting idea, but one that obviously isn't a concern of HTC's. We can do our own little bit to turn the tide in the game, without needing HT's tacit approval. The next time you see a newb type on country channel, "What's a good plane for a noob?", immediately blurt out your favorite early war target, and discredit anyone who suggests any plane introduced after 1942.
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« Reply #62 on: January 05, 2006, 06:20:05 PM »
You're pretty far off base on why planes should be perked Mugz, and again, you're probably trolling partly here so I'm partial to just not answer at all. But what the hell.

Its not to punish people... Its to encourage some flavor in the MA. When you guys run missions... What do you take 9 times out of 10? The biggest baddest plane in the set that's free. When you wing up, if you wing up, what do you take 9 times out of 10? The biggest baddest free plane in the set. No i'm not saying only you do this... I am saying in general, people like to win, and taking the biggest, baddest plane that's free is going to increase someones chances of winning. Its a dam shame that there are so many other planes in the game that hardly get used... Not becuase people dont know how to fly them, but because to take a P40E out in a world that is filled to the max with La7s, P51s, now spit16s, 190D9s, ad tiffys, just to name a few, is asking to be put back in the tower that much sooner.

I guess I'm just tired of the same old lame old furball's/fights filled with late war monsters. I might be just the only one who is growing tired of it... Who knows. Remember, not too far back I too wanted everything to be unperked except for the Tempest and the 262...

Yes this is a dead horse that's been kicked over a thousand times. But maybe its time to try something different. Chog was perked because of its use... Among other reasons. To encourage people to fly something different...
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« Reply #63 on: January 05, 2006, 06:20:08 PM »
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Don't know why you think the CT is too limiting for too many people.  We're running the Tunisia 42/43 setup right now (stop by!).  Our sense has been that the "limitation" of the CT is that most people don't really want to fly the pre-1945 planes.

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EXACTLY!!!very good conclusion oldman. :aok
Players have their favorite rides. For what ever reason. Maybe their Grandfather flew an F4U in the pacific?..maybe the likey the lines of a pony? Or perhapes they find the stall characteristics of a certian AC suits their style of flying. Or they just loved the Sound of a Spitfire engine. What ever the reasons...and im certian they are many. The player wants to just have (yall said it yourselves MANY TIMES)..........."FUN" The ENY sanction was nearly enough to send me off from AH2. (It has not succeded in "Side Balancing" nor has it stoped the Vulching or Hoarding.)
Keep taking players favorite rides in the MA..and watch them find another pass time. With the ENY sanction system, players simply switch sides to fly what they want. Perk all late war rides and that option will be gone as well.

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« Reply #64 on: January 05, 2006, 06:28:45 PM »
Anyone ever thought the problem lies in the maps themselves?

Not one is what would be considered a 'high alt' map, remember Pizza?

On a high alt map the XVI would see lots less use in favour of the IX or XIV.

Although the thought of dogfighting XVI's in Pizzas canyons makes me drool.
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« Reply #65 on: January 05, 2006, 06:36:41 PM »
I dont actually know why they pulled Pizza? It was resetable..its was "FUN" and it was "FUN" Was it like way buggy?

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« Reply #66 on: January 05, 2006, 06:45:56 PM »
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Why the XVI?

This would mean the only free ANYTHING RAF would be 1943 (VIII and Tiffy) and earlier.


I dont know why you always bring up the date of the Spits, its irrelevant Kev. The only thing to consider in the perk/unperk calculation is its relative performance and hence its useage rate in the MA. If the LW had ignored Hitler and pressed on with the 262 and got it into service the year and a bit earlier they could have, it would still be perked. The date of the planes use means nothing.

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« Reply #67 on: January 05, 2006, 07:14:41 PM »
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Why the XVI?

This would mean the only free ANYTHING RAF would be 1943 (VIII and Tiffy) and earlier.
Or are we not allowed any 1944 or later FREE planes like every other major planeset would still have?
You want a better RAF representation in the MA, sounds more like an inferior (performance wise) representation to me.
Or remove the 50cals from the XVI give it .303's and rename it as an 1943 LF IX. But oh, I guess you'd want that perked also.


Kev, honestly, I don't care about the nationalities of the planes that much. The 190D9 is pretty much the only decent LW ride and I suggested perking that too. I wish you wouldn't get defensive and make these kinds of assumptions. I think you (or someone) mentioned adding the Hurri IIB ... I'd love to see that too. My mantra for almost twenty years has been: "More Planes, Less Warps."

I ... or, rather, WE ... have no control over which planes HT has decided to model. We have what we have. I'd rather see the Spit16, P51, La7, etc. cost only 1 or 2 or 3 perks AND have the Spit14 and F4U4 cost only 4 or 5 perks than see the Spit16 and La7 cost like a C-Hog does now. Woudln't you?

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« Reply #68 on: January 05, 2006, 07:31:26 PM »
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Variety shouldnt be forced, but it can be encouraged. And IMO what the MA is lacking most is just that, variety. Perking some of the most heavily used planes would IMO encourage more variety in planes flown in the MA.

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I wish there was a way to do this that didn't require a penalty (perks cost). The perk bonus for the early war planes simply means that people cart them out when they have 73:1 odds at some field they're vultching - then suddenly you see P40's and C202's appear.

Maybe the perk earning potential could be adjusted instead so that if you're in a La7 you need a 20-kill streak to earn 1 perkie. Hehehe. Maybe that'd change a few habits.

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« Reply #69 on: January 05, 2006, 07:42:51 PM »
I know a lot of you guys land multiple kills. You have perks by the bazillion. I don't know how many are like me but I suspect a few.

The most kills I have ever gotten in a single sortie is 3. I didn't land them. Last night I flew a Spit VIII. I killed and landed two aircraft on two seperate sorties. If memory serves one was a 109F4 and one was a A6m5. I got something like .2 perkies for each aircraft.

I don't accumulate them very fast. I currently have 400 and something. 300 of which was the HTC present.

I know, and have been told, to basically take a crappy i.e. obsolete, aircraft, and  I could get lots a perkies. Thats nice. It's not going to happen. I want to at least have a decent chance of blowing somebody out of the skies.

The very few times I have taken a perk aircraft I may as well spent them at the Crash 'N Burn Cafe on some rot gut.

I guess what I'm getting at is that guys like myself wouldn't have perks to spend for very long if late war aircraft were perked. At which point we would be restricted to early/midwar/obsolete aircraft while all you guys would be flying late war birds clubbing the crap out of the less skilled players. Doesn't sound like a fun time. I get clubbed enough now. :D

Just throwing something out from another perspective.


i dont got enough perkies as it is and i like upen my lancs to kill 1 dang t 34 or wirble its fun droping 42 bombs

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« Reply #70 on: January 05, 2006, 07:52:44 PM »
A lot of those good players already use the "lesser" mid-war planes.

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« Reply #71 on: January 05, 2006, 08:06:46 PM »
So my JU-87 with 37mm will NOT be perked ???

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« Reply #72 on: January 05, 2006, 08:08:33 PM »
Lye-El- grab a Hurricane IIC. Good perk earner, and not a bad aircraft at all, assuming you drop any notion of BnZing at a screaming 280mph.
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« Reply #73 on: January 05, 2006, 08:12:07 PM »
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Lye-El- grab a Hurricane IIC. Good perk earner, and not a bad aircraft at all, assuming you drop any notion of BnZing at a screaming 280mph.


As an aside, this illustrates the problem, or potential for one, with the less-skilled being in the early war planes in short order. They may not be deadmeat, but they'll certainly keep that in the backs of their heads, and we may wind up with a large percentage of people flying more timidly, or in larger packs, than we have now.
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« Reply #74 on: January 05, 2006, 08:22:31 PM »
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LOL has to be a troll?

You realise the XVI is only a 1943 LF IX with 50 cals ('e' wing)?

Not even a Griffon spit like the XIV, yet your suggesting perking it higher that a XIV, in fact closer to a Tempest.
Guess if it had been a clipped wing 1943 LF IX, you'd still be wanting it perked?
SAME FRICKIN PLANE apart from the 50cals.

ONLY reason it didn't get the same Mk number as the IX was because the engine was manfactured in the U.S. (Merlin 266) and required different tooling (US stds vs UK stds).

In fact they could have brought it in as a LF IXe, but to differentiate for icons in-game it was given the XVI designation.

So to summarise LF IXe is EXACTLY the same as XVI, it's not some monster Griffon engined Spit despite the Mk number being higher than the XIV.


No its not a troll.
Honestly I'd rather fight against a tempest then a 16.
The 16 is IMO the plane with training wheels for its training wheels.

Its not a troll.
Just how I honestly feel about it.

Reguardless I still think it needs to be perked
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