Author Topic: Rate has doubled? (Read 5037 times)

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #135 on:** January 27, 2006, 11:48:27 PM »

Well, only the important ones.

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #136 on:** January 28, 2006, 04:41:39 AM »

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so ripley... if it costs you money then it is allright for you to take away other peoples rights?

Lazs one of the things you may not understand again is that a democratically elected government passed automotive safety laws such as speeding limits, seatbelt wear etc. which the voters (the people) are obliged to follow.

The governments best interests include keeping its citizens uninjured and healthy. Just as an employer looks after its workers to keep things running.

IMO refusing to wear a seatbelt just for hte sake of being rebel is not so smart on your part Lazs. Let's hope you will never end up in a 50mph collision and explain your freedom to the plastic surgeon who tries to stitch your face back in after leaving a birthmark to the windshield with your nose. For no reason other than being rebel and free.

Harry · « **Reply #137 on:** January 28, 2006, 08:07:52 AM »

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Originally posted by Toad
10% of all Soviet war material.... "a drop in the ocean".

I repeat: How much of those supplies had reached the Russians by the battle of Moscow, not 6 months after Russia became an “ally”? How much of those supplies had reached Russia by the time of Stalingrad one year into the GPW? Insignificant amounts.

A drop in the ocean. It may hurt your pride, but the Russians had won the war before America even joined the fight.

Toad · « **Reply #138 on:** January 28, 2006, 09:14:00 AM »

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Regardless of Soviet cold-war attempts to forget (or at least diminish) the importance of Lend-lease, the total impact of the Lend-Lease shipment for the Soviet war effort and entire national economy can only be characterized as both dramatic and of decisive importance.

But it's nice to see a Norwegian picking up the torch for the Soviets.

lazs2 · « **Reply #139 on:** January 28, 2006, 10:11:18 AM »

ripley... first of all... I have never said if I wear seatbelts or not... I allways do in my Hot Rods as they are more likely to be the car I will need em in... I rarely wear em in my Lincoln.. I choose.

The government is not my mommy or daddy and I really don't care what their motives are for keeping me healthy... it is none of their business.... unless you espouse socialism as a viable way for humans to live which I do not.

As for handguns... do as you please. so long as you do nothing criminal with em. What is wrong with that? You say that the worst that can happen to you is someone attacking you with a crowbar... that is of course not true but even if it were... I want to meet (the attacker with) a crowbar with a firearm... he won't be smashing my tender body today thank you..

If you feel that choice in the matter of firearms is proper then we agree... If you don't feel that firearms are a right to self defense or simple ownership and/or that you can take someone elses rights away by merely voting em away or letting your nanny government decide....

Then we dissagree... and..

You don't know anything about David Koresh and Waco it would appear. Both Waco and Ruby ridge happened during the time that we were experimenting with a socialist president and both were admitted to be massive screw ups.

lazs

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #140 on:** January 28, 2006, 10:39:09 AM »

Wrong lazs. If anything those cases proved that a single individual or even group of individuals has no leverage against the government regardless of the firepower they have.

I personally have nothing against firearms. But I disagree with you in having to obtain one for protection. I do not see a scenario where I'd need one.

lazs2 · « **Reply #141 on:** January 28, 2006, 10:48:00 AM »

wrong ripley... you got the wrong lesson... What those examples proved was that even a fringe person has rights and that mo matter how you demonize em.... or... how demonic that they may be... the people distrust the government...

Heads rolled... millions on investigations were spent... reparations were paid... the government socialism experiment died klinton or that murdering witch reno never got to act against citizens again..

The other lesson is.... that even a hundred such uprisings across the country would overwhelm the government forces and bring the government in power crashing down. If the matter were less fringe and a small percentage of the people agreed with it... the government would have to relent.

I find your "the government is too powereful there is nothing we can do but roll over and give em our belly" attitude.....

sickening. It would appear that socialism has bred out every bit of individualism out of you.

lazs

Thrawn · « **Reply #142 on:** January 28, 2006, 11:13:57 AM »

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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Well, only the important ones.

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #143 on:** January 28, 2006, 11:16:02 AM »

Lol lazs.. I consider our government something good and worth fighting for, not to fight against.

If you're so full of discontent why do you continue to live in the US?

lazs2 · « **Reply #144 on:** January 28, 2006, 11:20:59 AM »

Good question ripley... I stay here because with all it's faults.... it is the best one there is.... that don't mean I want to swap spit with every socialist that get's into power here.

A healthy government is one that fears it's people. A sick one is one where the people either fear or have absolute trust in it.

No government on the face of the planet or in all of history has ever been deserving of slavish devotion as you profess to have. In the end... they all slaughter a bunch of the sheep that gave em the power.

Trick is to keep em off guard and keep the power in check.

lazs

wrag · « **Reply #145 on:** January 28, 2006, 11:44:50 AM »

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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
Lol lazs.. I consider our government something good and worth fighting for, not to fight against.

If you're so full of discontent why do you continue to live in the US?

Hmmmmmmm...............

Makes me wonder.

Anyone have an opinion on the following.................

"A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." ~~ Bertrand de Juvenal

"According to my observations, mankind are among the most easily tamable and domesticable of all creatures in the animal world. They are readily reducible to submission, so readily conditionable (to coin a word) as to exhibit and almost incredibly enduring patience under restraint and oppression of the most flagrant character. So far are they from displaying any overweening love of freedom that they show a show a singular contentment with a condition of servitorship, often showing a curious canine pride in it, and again often simply unaware that they are existing in that condition." ~~ Albert Jay Nock; The Memoirs of a Superfluous Man

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #146 on:** January 28, 2006, 11:51:31 AM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Say...how did they build those tanks and planes?

Count those decimal places.

Dont forget to mention while those decimal places are being counted to count them in WWII era money and not todays.
That kinda money bought ALOT more back then then it does now.

And 10% is hardly a drop in the well.

I think anyone would be quite upset if they were told that they were getting a 10% pay cut

Harry · « **Reply #147 on:** January 28, 2006, 01:41:01 PM »

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But it's nice to see a Norwegian picking up the torch for the Soviets.

I don't know who wrote those words or why I should lend any credence to them.

Again: How much of those supplies had reached the Russians by the battle of Moscow, not 6 months after Russia became an “ally”? How much of those supplies had reached Russia by the time of Stalingrad one year into the GPW? Insignificant amounts.

A drop in the ocean. It may hurt your pride, but the Russians had won the war before America even joined the fight.

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #148 on:** January 28, 2006, 01:50:45 PM »

So Harry, The Battle of Moscow was where the the war was won?

Why did it take four years to mop up and how many Soviets died after the war was over?

The US did not win the Pacific war at Midway. It was just the first battle to fall in our favor.

Harry · « **Reply #149 on:** January 28, 2006, 02:27:08 PM »

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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
So Harry, The Battle of Moscow was where the the war was won?

Yes. Never again did the Germans threaten Russia's existence. Not even at Stalingrad or Kursk.

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Why did it take four years to mop up and how many Soviets died after the war was over?

Same reason it took more than three years to mop up Japan; they didn't surrender even when the most stanch Nazi knew the war was lost.

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The US did not win the Pacific war at Midway. It was just the first battle to fall in our favor.

No, the US won the Pacific War at Pearl Harbor on the 7th of December 1941. The Japanese had mistakenly calculated that the attack would buy them six months of free reign in the Pacific. After that they gambled on that defensive deterrents and the promise of a long and bloody war would persuade the US to settle for peace. They never intended to win a war with the US. The Japanese leadership knew they couldn't win a war with the US before they started it. They gambled you didn't have a stomach for war, and lost.