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Offline -lynx-

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« Reply #75 on: January 26, 2001, 05:16:00 AM »
(stirring the pot )
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The brits made the F-22?!...NO
Nah - Brits just invented the jet engine. Then Americans "borrowed" vectoring thrust concept from Russians and voi la - F22  .

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« Reply #76 on: January 26, 2001, 06:18:00 AM »
Indeed, the US has improved upon/completed the design of many wonderful things initially invented by folks in other countries.

During our history we've welcomed immigrants from everywhere that have in turn made this country into a technological world leader.

I wonder why all those really smart folks left their wonderful homelands and went to the United States, don't you?  
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« Reply #77 on: January 26, 2001, 06:56:00 AM »
 
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I wonder why all those really smart folks left their wonderful homelands and went to the United States, don't you?  

Maybe for a cruel war you never REALLY suffered....

Maybe for an economy devasted by the above war, instead to be improved like in your country...

Maybe for the lack of freedom sometime you suffer in the above situations...

Maybe just for money...

Maybe...

Well, who know...

If you cant do something by yourself...

buy it!!

 

Assuming you have money

And now, to the original question, I think Dinger, Fd-ski, ripsnort, and others got the point...

If you act as an amazinhunk expect to be traited as you deserve,
if you are respectful you will be surpriced how kind the people will be with you.

secondary argument

A. "We save your ass"

E. "No, mate, you save YOUR ass"

IMHO
 

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« Reply #78 on: January 26, 2001, 07:34:00 AM »
 
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Err... Ummm... It was Brits who made the first jet last time I checked  

check again, He178, 1939  


 
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ok I've got a question, if we Americans are so stupid why do we lead the way in arias like aviation, space exploration and stuff like that, hmmm the Germans made the first jet, we made it better, Russians got to space first, we kicked some more bellybutton and went to the moon, you get my point.
one more thing no one on this planet is perfect, theres room for improvement in every country

Germans made first jet, and first swept wing designs, american did them better------>after studying all the german research,designs and planes in that field.

Russians got the space first (with help from captured germans), USA later and better, (With help of almost all the V2 design team, headed by Von Braum himself).

I dont say that USA has not great tech and research, but the examples you are giving are mostly of captured technology. The moon was conquered in 1969 because Von Braun went to the USA, had him gone to the USSR, the russians would'be put a foot there before.


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« Reply #79 on: January 26, 2001, 08:10:00 AM »
Ram - check it again yourself - Sir Frank Whittle was British. Patent applied for in 1930, granted 1932.

Russians never "captured" any German rocket scientists - they never made it as far West, Von Braun et al went to the States.

Soviet space program was "homegrown" and miles ahead of an American one - it worked, Mir was up there for 15 years (whatever happened to that SkyLab thing anyway? ), space launches became routine, it worked reliable and to the point of becoming almost commercially viable... Until the funding had run out.

Btw, Soviet shuttles (a Russian idea again - Soviet chief designer Sergey Korol'ev published sketches back in late 50s...) had fully automated landings pioneering the completely crew-less cargo-haul into space.

As for "saving our ass" point which seem to be so popular in certain circles across the pond I'd like to point out that those were Russian T-34s and IS-2s on the streets of Berlin in May 1945, not American Shermans. By the time "the saviours of our asses" landed in Normandy the Soviet army had already made it's way back from Moscow into Europe. And before you even think "lend-lease" I'll tell you that we paid for it, in gold, for every Jeep, tank, plane, tin of beef.

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« Reply #80 on: January 26, 2001, 10:08:00 AM »
 
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Ram - check it again yourself - Sir Frank Whittle was British. Patent applied for in 1930, granted 1932.

first jet engine was british. First jet plane was german. He178, summer 1939.


Russians never "captured" any German rocket scientists - they never made it as far West, Von Braun et al went to the States.

you are talking about the V2 project team. but a lot of german scientists and researchers were captured by the USSR. I dont have data on it, but its almost sure that some rocket scientists fell into soviet hands, and were used for researching into the Soviet Space Program.


I hope that someone has real data on this matter, but its a simple thing of statistics: of X german scientists captured by the soviets, some of them MUST have been involved in peenemunde's V2 project, or into Lippisch's rocket aircraft.

 Almost all post-war Soviet aircraft technology was captured one (except the RR Nene jet engine that was english). the first soviet jets were based on the Jumos on the 262,some of the first jet designs were almost copies of the Me262. And almost all the swept-wing technology in the Soviet Union in 1946 had been captured in Germany, along a lot of the investigators involved.

Its not hard to think that some germans used in researching rocket technologies in Germany in WWII were captured by the russians. And where to use them?...missile, ICBM and space technologies, its clear

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« Reply #81 on: January 26, 2001, 10:13:00 AM »
and if i remember correctly.. it was captured german scientists that invented the internet too !!  


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« Reply #82 on: January 26, 2001, 10:17:00 AM »
huh? is Gore german?

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« Reply #83 on: January 26, 2001, 10:24:00 AM »
ah, Naso...

They've been coming to "America" for more than 200 years.

They're still coming; the bright ones, the motivated ones, the hard workers (and some of the lesser lights as well.)

Why do they come? Why not stay in their own societies?

It's not just war. We don't PAY people to immigrate to the US.

It's opportunity, Naso. That's all. A simple chance.

It's why the first ones left Europe to begin with. It's still true.  

 
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« Reply #84 on: January 26, 2001, 10:50:00 AM »
Aaaah, Toad.

I read today that Britain is the number one destination for Asylum Seekers in the world.

And that includes America.  
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« Reply #85 on: January 26, 2001, 10:52:00 AM »
RAM when you get facts - post them here. Von Braun et al from Pennemunde research facility were captured by the Allies, not the Russians. Pennemunde was the only main center Nazis had for developing of V1 and V2 (although the manufacturing and testing sites were moved elsewhere after Allied bombardment of the main site).

As for the jets - the point was the origins, not the later (much later, for that matter) use.

One has to give you a medal for perseverance in pushing the German supremacy idea. Those cheeky bastards Russians did steal every advance they'd ever had from Germans, including the victory in WW2 - the audacity of some people, sheesh...

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« Reply #86 on: January 26, 2001, 11:06:00 AM »
That's because the rooms are padded better in the UK Dowding.



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« Reply #87 on: January 26, 2001, 11:15:00 AM »
Good, Dowding. May Britain forever be the world's best place to seek political asylum.

Guess we'll just have to stumble along and make do with the folks who just want to maximize their opportunity.

 
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« Reply #88 on: January 26, 2001, 01:00:00 PM »
I for one , forget sometime just how good we have it this great country (United States of America ). I hop in my rig and drive to the mountain (45 minutes ) and go snow skiing every weekend , In summer I drag my boat to a lake ( 30 minute drive to one of a dozen lakes )and water ski . GOD I LOVE MY LIFE
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« Reply #89 on: January 26, 2001, 01:16:00 PM »
OH  and BTW  the U.S. doesn't have a monopoly on prettythangholes .. I see them all the time here
(college town) ,, arrogant foreign salamanders!!!