Crump banned?? WHY

[Harry]

Originally posted by storch
I'm sure crumpp won't return and he will allow his subscription to AHII to lapse.  he is already involved in another WWII mmog as an aircraft model developement consultant and as a player.

Which WWII mmog would that be Storch?

[gripen]

Originally posted by Charge

Gripen, which of those FWs was it that couldn't get above some altitude without the engine fully cutting out?

That seem to be from US NAVY Fw 190 tests.

gripen

[storch]

Originally posted by Harry
Which WWII mmog would that be Storch?

I'll decline to post it here questioning the proprietry of such an act.

[Harry]

Very well.

[gear]

Originally posted by Timofei
He questioned the basic professional integrity and honesty of HTC.

And the "proof" can be debated as well. "Weird science" i would say.
Good riddance.

Did you even know Crump?

[Wilbus]

I agree with Gatt on this, he pretty much said it all.

I am not saying Crumpp should or should not be banned, however, there are lots of people on this board (and recently in the MA aswell) who are way worse for HTC.

Several people on this board are here purly to start flames, if not with their own account then with a shade account. Luftwhine threads are a perfect example of this. Discussions about planes rapidly get hijacked and flamed.
Of course this goes the other way around aswell, not only LW threads.

Hopefully the mods (be it HTC or player mods) will spot those few bad apples (as the rest of us already have) and shut em down.

Both the board and MA have been out of hand for a long time, specially noticable for those of us who have been here a long time.

[storch]

I don't see why crumpp should have been banned.  however if you take it in the context that hitech framed it, to paraphrase "it's MY house" and we all are guests here, then it's easy to see that it was a personal decision.  the thing is that in my opinion we aren't guests at hitech's house as much as we are paying residents at hitech's apartment block. Hitech does have the right to renew which ever lease he wants or reject those he deems to be too much trouble.  I say it was an unwise move because it appears to be a decision based on pettiness and emotion but it's his right to do so.

[hogenbor]

Originally posted by Charge
"If two people fight in MY house, I kick them both out."
Even if the other likes the same cars as you do, and occasionally remebers to point out how splendid you are?


-C+

Charge, I once kicked my girlfriend out because she was in a bad argument with her best friend. No problem with that, but not in my house. No we weren't living together at that time, but I friendly (more or less) requested them to resume their shouting outside. They did and apologized later.

She had no reasons to like my car (a battered VW at the time) but she did think I was splendid for a very long time. Sadly, this only proves she was blind

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If we pay 15 bucks a month is irrelevant, besides, people who don't play at all can still use the forums. If the residents are a nuisance, you'll get them out.  Even if people totally disagree they should remain respectful to each other but I have the distinct impression that Crumpp was pushed too far. He didn't start out like that. I agree that he was quite obsessive but he had tons of data he was willing to share. Even HTC agrees on this.

That the folks at HTC are pissed off because he questions their integrity I can understand. I can also understand that Crumpp got frustrated that the Fw-190's were never changed as he very firmly believed he was right. Still, it is not his game so he should accept that they weren't changed. Nevertheless I totally agree that all 190 threads with Crumpp in them were flamed recently, just as the 109 word would turn up Kurfurst and Milo. This I do not like.

Info on the 109 and 190 is hard to come by and now we have lost the best authority on the 190. That I considere VERY sad, the other factors notwithstanding. And I still think the 190 is a dog in AH. But I won't lose any sleep over it if it remains so until the rest of eternity, EVEN if it was proven beyond doubt that the FM is wrong. It's only a game people.

[Simaril]

I am not a researcher, and dont have an engineering background. The calculations were beyind my ken, but....

Crummp was always sure he was right. When other engineers challenged him, he argued alone (is he REALLY the only engineer who can see the truth???) or changed the subject.

Crumpp was quick to point out the mistakes others made, but I dont recall him ever stepping up to say "I screwed that up...sorry." edit: in fairness, I didnt track the BBS looking for his posts tho...

Crumpp had an agenda -- he posted against US plane modeling, and for LW (esp 190).

Crummp did not have a graceful demeanor online, and did not show respect for others and their input.

Any one of these is common enough around here, but combining all four went a  long way towards neutralizing any positive contribution. I honestly wonder how different his reception -- and his resulting frustration -- might have been if he treaded with respect.

[Oldman731]

Originally posted by storch
I don't see why crumpp should have been banned.  however if you take it in the context that hitech framed it, to paraphrase "it's MY house" and we all are guests here, then it's easy to see that it was a personal decision.  the thing is that in my opinion we aren't guests at hitech's house as much as we are paying residents at hitech's apartment block. Hitech does have the right to renew which ever lease he wants or reject those he deems to be too much trouble.  I say it was an unwise move because it appears to be a decision based on pettiness and emotion but it's his right to do so.

Crumpp had descended to the point where he was charging that HTC deliberately overmodeled Allied rides in order to attract customers.  If you missed that here on the BBS, you certainly didn't miss it in the AvA arena.  Were I HTC, I don't think I'd let repeated challenges to my integrity go unanswered.  The pettiness and emotion weren't all on one side, Storch.

- oldman

[Angus]

I am sorry to hear these news. I didn't think he really crossed the line, - well, it was a tad too much when he went for HT, and I remember someone hitting me when I happened to agree with HT.
I was looking forward to discuss BoB stuff with Crumpp, - where he actually IMHO was seriously in the fog and ready to defend any nonsense to the death, - so it would have been a party.
Well, is the ban always terminal or is it a sentence?

[Stringer]

Originally posted by Oldman731
Crumpp had descended to the point where he was charging that HTC deliberately overmodeled Allied rides in order to attract customers.  If you missed that here on the BBS, you certainly didn't miss it in the AvA arena.  Were I HTC, I don't think I'd let repeated challenges to my integrity go unanswered.  The pettiness and emotion weren't all on one side, Storch.

- oldman

^^^^What Oldman said.

I didn't even know a Crumpp existed until I shot him down in the AvA.  He immediately went into a rant about how I'm an Allied this and that, (which isn't true since I fly whatever side needs the pilots) and that I'm just a noob because I don't fly LW iron...yada, yada, yada.  (Which differs from when I shoot Storch down, because Storch immediately types over open channel that he was lucky to survive as long as he did given how overmatched in piloting skills he is )

He got bitter and let it interfere with any sort of pleasure that he might get out of the game.  Problem was, he took that bitterness out on anyone flying pixels other than LW pixels.

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by JAWS2003
I do understand this very well.
 I think he did it out of frustration. He had the best information for  FW-190. This aircraft is rather poorly modeled in the game. This is no secret. His material could have helped fix the plane once and for all.
 His valuble material was ignored, and all the discussions he got in got trashed by few guys.
 I understand you, but I understand him too.

Who are you and why do you continue to drag this thread on?  I've never seen you in the MA or CT, nor the DA or SEA.  You're beating the dead horse with "subliminally" telling HTC you concur with Crump is getting recognized MORE everytime you post in this thread.

I have played this game for 4 years, heck my handle is "Karaya", I fly the 109F4, G2, and EVERY 190 in here.  I turnfight with em, E fight with em.  I've also read some of Crump's data sheets at various times.   I agree with HT simply because in his summaries, he would at times conflict with earlier points he had made.   But, he was getting "personal" and making derogatory remarks towards HTC.  The Arenas and this BBS are NOT PUBLIC, they are the PROPERTY of HiTechCreations.  

Finally, Crump fell victim to a quote my old man often uses: "Don't s*it where you sleep."   Getting confrontational with HT or any of HTC's crew is lunacy at it's finest.

<> HTC for still putting the best efforts forward for making a fun game, and listening your subscribers.

Karaya

[JAWS2003]

Originally posted by Masherbrum
Who are you and why do you continue to drag this thread on?  I've never seen you in the MA or CT, nor the DA or SEA.  
Karaya

 I'm just a guy that plays the game when i have time. I'm no veteran or ace.
I started playing aces high in 2001 I was playing under that account for around year and a half. I moved and stopped playing ah. My brother is still playing since then on the same account.I won't mention his game name. Now is his account and i don't wont to drag him in this. I came back When AH2 come out. I don't know how long I played that time but I think for around a year. That time my calsign was Jaws 2002 or something.
 Now I'm back since December. My game name is Jawzzy.  I'm not an ace but I think I understand the planes a little.
  I don't play much now since I don't have much time.

[Bruno]

To be fair if we use the behavior of others on this forum as a yard stick then Crumpp falls some where in the middle. HTC can certainly ban who ever they want, that's not my point but those of you coming out the wood work to tell the rest of us how 'bad' Crumpp was is just ridiculous. I have had many disagreements with Crumpp since he first began posting on this forum but his behavior in total is no better or worse then 90% of the rest of us...

Wotan mit uns!!!