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Offline Silat

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« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2006, 03:37:42 PM »
So who exactly approved this deal? It wasn't the people McClellan claimed it was. And why is Bush so hell-bent on seeing it happen, to the point of threatening his first-ever veto?
Could it be $$ for business interests?




Bush to veto efforts to stop UAE port deal

by kos

Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 01:57:44 PM PDT

Bush has never used a veto. Never.

But he finally found something worth expending some of that almost-expended "political capital" on -- protecting the right of the UAE to take over port security.

President George W. Bush said on Tuesday that a deal for a state-owned Dubai company to manage major U.S. ports should go forward and will not jeopardize U.S. security.

Bush told reporters traveling back to Washington with him from Colorado that he would veto legislation to stop the deal from going through.

"After careful review by our government, I believe the transaction ought to go forward," Bush said. He added that if the U.S. Congress passed a law to stop the deal, "I'll deal with it with a veto."

"Careful review". The White House has also claimed that there was a rigorous national security review of the deal.

MR. McCLELLAN: Well, my understanding, Les, is that this went through the national security review process under CFIUS, at the Department of Treasury. That is the agency that is responsible for overseeing such matters. And this includes a number of national security agencies -- the Department of Homeland Security, the Department of Defense, the Justice, among others, and there is a rigorous review that goes on for proposed foreign investments for national security concerns. And in terms of specifics relating to this, Treasury is the chair of this and you should direct those questions to Treasury.

Yet Rumsfeld has just admitted that he had no clue what this deal was about and that he wasn't consulted.

QUESTION: Are you confident that any problems with security -- from what you know, are you confident that any problems with security would not be greater with a UAE company running this than an American company?

RUMSFELD: I am reluctant to make judgments based on the minimal amount of information I have because I just heard about this over the weekend.

This weekend? The deal was approved Feb. 13.
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« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2006, 03:50:21 PM »
I'm seeing the BIG Picture here now....Rumsfeld was the one behind the grassy knoll in Dallas.  It all makes sense now!

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« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2006, 03:57:52 PM »
Something definitely isn't right here... for a President that has been a hawk on national security to encourage this type of deal has quite the odor.

I still question your sources and I'll be much more inclined to believe it when news sources echo the same.
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« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2006, 04:22:20 PM »
Hello Silat,

Just got finished speaking with a friend of mine in D.C. about this.

His read is that it isn't an issue of dollars its an issue of approach to the war. Rice, Rumsfeld, Bush and the State Department generally are still of the opinion that the best approach to problem of Islamic terrorism is the fostering of democracy in the Middle East. Part of their approach includes treating most of the Islamic states not openly opposed to the US as "our best friends" and offering whatever concilliatory gestures they can to Islam generally. This includes most recently the State Departments appalling capitulation on the Cartoon issue, in essence saying that the Western Press should abide by Sharia Blasphemy laws. They also want to maintain the facade that we can do business with Middle Eastern nations like Saudi Arabia and the UAE as if they were our friends and not part of the overall problem. Hence all the encouraging words about Pakistani, Saudi, and Gulf State help in fighting "the war on terror" and so on.

For Bush to call off the port deal would be to admit essentially that far from being our "best friends" that those states cannot be trusted and that they are ultimately an integral part of the overall problem. Which is why he made the statement: "I want those who are questioning it to step up and explain why all of a sudden a Middle Eastern company is held to a different standard than a Great British company. I am trying to conduct foreign policy now by saying to the people of the world, 'We'll treat you fairly.' The majority of American people are gradually coming to the realization that we can't trust or  be best friends with states that promote an ideology that calls for our subjugation or destruction and that our security must be put first no matter how difficult that will ultimately make "Peacefully" establishing democracy and so they can answer the president's silly question.

So while the Bush administration is still pushing the notion of regime change without having to invade every Islamic state, House and Senate Conservatives are increasingly unwilling to pay the possible price for that, and consequently both Frist and Hastert promised efforts to stop the port takeover:
 
"The decision to finalize this deal should be put on hold until the administration conducts a more extensive review of this matter," said Frist, R-Tenn. "If the administration cannot delay this process, I plan on introducing legislation to ensure that the deal is placed on hold until this decision gets a more thorough review."

Frist, who spoke to reporters in Long Beach, Calif., where he was on a fact-finding tour on port security and immigration issues, said he doesn't oppose foreign ownership, "but my main concern is national security."

House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., joined Frist, saying the administration needed to "conduct a more thorough review." Without offering details, Hastert said in a letter to Bush that "this proposal may require additional congressional action in order to ensure that we are protecting Americans at home."


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« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2006, 04:37:22 PM »
" "I want those who are questioning it to step up and explain why all of a sudden a Middle Eastern company is held to a different standard than a Great British company."

oh thats an easy one.

Because nobody from Britain hijacked 4 planes slit the pilots throats and crashed them into buildings murdering  2,000 people.
Because Britian hasnt had ties to terrorists, Hasnt smuggled nuclear technology to countries known to support terrorists


Had people from Britain done this I'd hold a British  company to a higher standard also
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« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2006, 04:49:07 PM »
This should be interesting... I can understand the diplomatic rewards of this, but if a terrorist act is linked through the ports via the UAE it will definitely crumble Bush, his presidency, and his legacy.

Call me a coward, but if I was in charge I would not risk it.
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« Reply #21 on: February 21, 2006, 05:29:44 PM »
At least this opens up the debate on whether globalization is bad for national security.

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« Reply #22 on: February 21, 2006, 05:48:59 PM »
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It isn't that simple... it is okay for the British company to run our port operations, but if a Muslim country has access it is suddenly not allowed for a foreign group to maintain operations?

Don't get me wrong, I'd MUCH rather have things like this not out-sourced, but I guarantee it will come off as prejudiced towards the Muslims... and I agree, even if it is for a good reason.


Well lets see here was any of the terrorist that attacked the usa on 9-11 from england?
Nope If my memmorie serves me right it was all but two of them from suadi arabia:O

The simple fact that in a time of war this countries ports would be controled by ANYONE but america is as stupid as it can be.
Mr Bush what are you thinking you arrorgant SOB!
Is you butt buddies the suadi's that much more important than you fellow citizens?

I'm sorry but if there ever was a time for impeachment it is now.

Oh and I could care less if it hurt mooslims feelings:cry

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« Reply #23 on: February 21, 2006, 06:18:19 PM »
Very typical of this administration.  I would expect nothing less from our president.
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« Reply #24 on: February 21, 2006, 06:21:51 PM »
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Very typical of this administration.  I would expect nothing less from our president.


Well I really hate to admitt it but I agree with ya.
I voted for this man twice because there has been no further attacks on american soil since 9-11 i always thought he was on the ball.
But this really makes me question his mental status.

I mean 99% of the country including his own party thinks this is a really bad idea yet he thinks its right.

Sounds very dillusional to me.

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« Reply #25 on: February 21, 2006, 07:17:29 PM »
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" "I want those who are questioning it to step up and explain why all of a sudden a Middle Eastern company is held to a different standard than a Great British company."

oh thats an easy one.

Because nobody from Britain hijacked 4 planes slit the pilots throats and crashed them into buildings murdering  2,000 people.
Because Britian hasnt had ties to terrorists, Hasnt smuggled nuclear technology to countries known to support terrorists


Had people from Britain done this I'd hold a British  company to a higher standard also


The "shoe bomber" Richard Reid was born in a London suburband is the son of an English mother and Jamaican father.

Not saying we are any better, Timothy McVeigh was from our home country.
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« Reply #26 on: February 21, 2006, 07:18:53 PM »
Holdin leave the slack jawed liberal dribble to MT he's much better at it than you.

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« Reply #27 on: February 21, 2006, 07:40:40 PM »
I call 'SHENAIGANS' on Bush! Possibly he's taken a fall off a bull and thinks he's a vietnamese prostitute.

 

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« Reply #28 on: February 21, 2006, 10:07:02 PM »
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Holdin leave the slack jawed liberal dribble to MT he's much better at it than you.


What a powerful rebuttal, you should join your debate team.

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« Reply #29 on: February 21, 2006, 10:14:39 PM »
Here's a great quote on the subject.  Hey someone forgot to tell congress that the government(i.e. executive branch) looked at the issue and it's ok, don't worry about it. :rofl  

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060222/ap_on_go_pr_wh/ports_security

Bush: "I can understand why some in Congress have raised questions about whether or not our country will be less secure as a result of this transaction," the president said. "But they need to know that our government has looked at this issue and looked at it carefully."