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Offline Silat

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« on: February 21, 2006, 01:34:41 AM »
"House  Homeland Security chairman Peter King, R-N.Y., has been one of the most vocal, saying secret assurances obtained by the government don't go far enough to protect the nation's seaports."


What possible SECRET agreements could have been made. And how come they are secret. I heard Chertoff go on and on that all meetings on this sale were secret and he couldnt reveal a thing.
Something stinks....................... ....


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/port_security;_ylt=An3OgZyfsEOGNPMOp2ARFdWs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--
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« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2006, 03:37:25 AM »
1. Your link doesn't work.

2. As far as I heard, the British concern that was managing our ports was bought out by the government of UAE.

It is a tricky situation... we can't give UAE easy access to our ports as every group can have a few bad apples to take advantage of security. Nor can we deny access to one of the few groups that have (up for debate) backed the United States, it would show preferential treatment as well as a lack of trust and further encourage the myth we are prejudiced against Muslims.

What do you do? Either way, its the wrong answer...
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« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2006, 08:57:41 AM »
Simple solution is to only let US companies handle these things. That way no one gets their feelings hurt and we can financially nut crush whoever screws up the security of the ports. I don't understand why we have to outsource every damn thing we do in the US to other nations companies.
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« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2006, 09:28:16 AM »
It isn't that simple... it is okay for the British company to run our port operations, but if a Muslim country has access it is suddenly not allowed for a foreign group to maintain operations?

Don't get me wrong, I'd MUCH rather have things like this not out-sourced, but I guarantee it will come off as prejudiced towards the Muslims... and I agree, even if it is for a good reason.
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« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2006, 10:56:11 AM »
Why not just give them the airplorts while were at it?
I wouldn't give any muslim country, or person anything on US soil, thats just asking for another attack.

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« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2006, 11:51:03 AM »
1.  I find it amazing some are actually trying to stand on the argument of offending muslim nations when the 4th generation of warfare in our conflict has already been decisively lost with clusters like Abu Gaurib, and our other gulags..

any hearts and minds crap will have little actual effect on their dispostion. (the recent worldwide overreaction over cartoons is proof of this..)

2.  Since 4th gen is no longer available (or in a limited sense with high input low output to show in the future)  My opinion is we must resort to tried and true tactics..  This includes not letting the enemy or potential enemy into your port infrastructre...

3.  UAE while westernized is still a muslim country and hence a potential pandoras box for double agents for Osama's minions..

While the above (#3) is a worst case scenario how bout eliminating the variables for peace and mind factor alone..  save money by not having to create some new department or resources from existing departments to play day care with this company who most likely is not up to no good, but who wants to take that chance, hence resources must be applied.

In times of war you dont offshore to your potential enemy thats all that needs to be explained its not rocket science..   Where's all the "secure our ports" xeno thought process that was exhibited last election..   Evaporated along with whatever political capital I guess..


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« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2006, 12:00:20 PM »
Jimmy Carter agrees with Bush on this one :huh

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/nation/13921401.htm?source=rss&channel=miamiherald_nation

Interesting bedmates, Most Republicans and Democrats alike are in agreement that is not good.

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« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2006, 12:02:52 PM »
Key infrastructure should stay in the hands of the government or atleast a domestic company (if there is such a thing in the modern world)

But then im just a pinko commie from yurup

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« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2006, 12:25:08 PM »
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Jimmy Carter agrees with Bush on this one :huh

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/nation/13921401.htm?source=rss&channel=miamiherald_nation

Interesting bedmates, Most Republicans and Democrats alike are in agreement that is not good.


I bet ya Clintstone and George the 1st would agree as well, means a close look is in order.

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« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2006, 01:10:38 PM »
You guys just don’t think Machiavellian enough around here….where are the conspiracy theorists?  :furious
(sigh…)
Guess I’ll have to do it myself…….  (Puts on asbestos garmets)

The reason the Administration agreed to sell off port operations in six U.S. cities to the UAE, a nation known in the past to support terrorists and be used as a transshipping point for weapons and  nuclear materials between Iran, Pakistan, North Korea, and other sunny destinations, is that they *need* another terrorist attack on U.S. soil, …..and this is one way to facilitate that.

They’re probably all mad at Osama for not making good on his last threat of an attack on the mainland from January.

Another attack would be a boon to this Administration: It will immediately justify all the transgressions of the administration over the past four years.  There would be a sudden retreat of Congressional opposition to the Commander In Chief in light of a “new threat”. There is also the predictable knee-jerk reaction of the media, public, and Congress to hide-under-the-covers, plead for protection, hand over any other rights or freedoms for that protection, and look for scape-goats.  It would be an inquisition, probably headed by a jack-booted Vice President.  
If an attack was successful enough, da Prez could declare martial law, suspend all elections “for the duration of the emergency”, create a Committee of Public Safety to “root out all traitors on American soil”, and declare himself King.   :O  (those are Democrates hitting the floor you hear)

(I should produce this drivel for a living)  :cool:

Sad thing is….this has probably all been gamed out, and exists in a classified report, by someone working for someone at Disneyland on the Potomac.  Tax dollars at work and all that.  

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« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2006, 01:16:13 PM »
ok, who were / are you in your other account?!?!?!:huh
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« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2006, 01:51:05 PM »
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Originally posted by Delirium
It isn't that simple... it is okay for the British company to run our port operations, but if a Muslim country has access it is suddenly not allowed for a foreign group to maintain operations?

Don't get me wrong, I'd MUCH rather have things like this not out-sourced, but I guarantee it will come off as prejudiced towards the Muslims... and I agree, even if it is for a good reason.


You know what screw what the Muslims and other Arab nations truly think. The only semi-friend we have in the middle east is Jordan; who knows why but things have been good between Jordan and the US for a long time and they still have a fair amount of the population that would love to watch our major cities go up in flames.

I read something on this yesterday that the Coasties had run an exercise for a nuclear threat coming into one of our eastern seaboard ports. The nuke was "found" before it entered the port at Charleston, SC but they didn't disarm it in time and the simulated immediate deaths were close to 10k at one pop with several hundred more dying daily after that due to fall out and radiation.

So to me as I said screw some nations sensitivity for a little while. They will get over it...but we can't do that because we are all to busy playing the appeasement and politically correct BS game.
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« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2006, 01:54:41 PM »
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Jimmy Carter agrees with Bush on this one :huh

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/nation/13921401.htm?source=rss&channel=miamiherald_nation

Interesting bedmates, Most Republicans and Democrats alike are in agreement that is not good.


I actually watched the Carter statements. He said that he trusted that Bush and company was doing the right thing... That is a far cry from agreeing with it.
I dont trust them...
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« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2006, 01:59:37 PM »
Its always about the $$$ and stock options...................... .

New York Daily News - http://www.nydailynews.com
W aides' biz ties to Arab firm
BY MICHAEL McAULIFF
DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU
Tuesday, February 21st, 2006

Breaking news update: Top Republican leader against ports deal
WASHINGTON - The Dubai firm that won Bush administration backing to run six U.S. ports has at least two ties to the White House.

One is Treasury Secretary John Snow, whose agency heads the federal panel that signed off on the $6.8 billion sale of an English company to government-owned Dubai Ports World - giving it control of Manhattan's cruise ship terminal and Newark's container port.

Snow was chairman of the CSX rail firm that sold its own international port operations to DP World for $1.15 billion in 2004, the year after Snow left for President Bush's cabinet.

The other connection is David Sanborn, who runs DP World's European and Latin American operations and was tapped by Bush last month to head the U.S. Maritime Administration.

The ties raised more concerns about the decision to give port control to a company owned by a nation linked to the 9/11 hijackers.

"The more you look at this deal, the more the deal is called into question," said Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), who said the deal was rubber-stamped in advance - even before DP World formally agreed to buy London's P&O port company.

Besides operations in New York and Jersey, Dubai would also run port facilities in Philadelphia, New Orleans, Baltimore and Miami.

The political fallout over the deal only grows.

"It's particularly troubling that the United States would turn over its port security not only to a foreign company, but a state-owned one," said western New York's Rep. Tom Reynolds, chairman of the National Republican Campaign Committee. Reynolds is responsible for helping Republicans keep their majority in the House.

Snow's Treasury Department runs the Committee on Foreign Investment in the U.S., which includes 11 other agencies.

"It always raises flags" when administration officials have ties to a firm, Rep. Vito Fossella (R-S.I.) said, but insisted that stopping the deal was more important.

The Daily News has learned that lawmakers also want to know if a detailed 45-day probe should have been conducted instead of one that lasted no more than 25 days.

According to a 1993 congressional measure, the longer review is mandated when the company is owned by a foreign government and the purchase "could result in control of a person engaged in interstate commerce in the U.S. that could affect the national security of the U.S."

Congressional sources said the President has until March 2 to trigger that harder look.

"The most important thing is for someone to explain how this is consistent with our national security," Fossella said.
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« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2006, 02:05:13 PM »
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ok, who were / are you in your other account?!?!?!:huh


Who me??  Honest, only been playing this game a little over a month, and posting a few days.  But I cut my teeth on Usenet newsgroups YEARS ago on stuff like this.... a veteran of rec.motorcycles (aka "ReekyMoto") during the Flame Wars..... this place is like a Jungle Gym at McDonalds compared to that unmonitored troll zone.