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Offline fartwinkle

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« Reply #45 on: February 22, 2006, 11:53:02 AM »
American ports should be owned and run by AMERICANS its that simple
anything else is ignorant at best.

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« Reply #46 on: February 22, 2006, 12:04:05 PM »
Everybody knows that regardless of what the contract says, the ports are run by the International Longshoremen's Association.  

Lucca Brazi is not gonna allow the docks to be run any other way.  

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« Reply #47 on: February 22, 2006, 12:26:22 PM »
Much ado about nothing. The people that work at the ports are Americans.

In addition, the port authority and the customs aren't going anywhere.
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« Reply #48 on: February 22, 2006, 12:51:40 PM »
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Much ado about nothing. The people that work at the ports are Americans.

In addition, the port authority and the customs aren't going anywhere.


Ahh but if you own the management then you can get around those two items there. I still say keep them out of managing anything on US soil.
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« Reply #49 on: February 22, 2006, 01:06:29 PM »
Folks have a point that this is a transfer of the Operations of these ports, not the Security, but you have to realize that operations and security have to work together to keep things running smoothly, and the access people working the operations side will have to security issues is where the potential for security breeches lies.  The port situation is bad already, this can potentially make it much worse.

I don't buy into the whole good will aspect for U.S.-Middle East relations.  Many Arab nations are literally playing both sides here, and making money in the process.  They don't crack down on the fundamentalists, because they themselves do not want to become targets of those radicals.  Many of them in fact support, if not openly, the terrorists and their ideals (or for the economic and power possibilities that become available) when they attack western interests.  And IIRC it is still considered rude for one muslim to question another muslim's beliefs and how he acts on those convictions.  
They'll take whatever bone we throw to them....begging is very commonplace, especially with what I saw in the streets of Baghdad, so I don't see why it would be much different at the political level in the region.
Many of those same beggers in the streets in Baghdad often were selling information on our movements to the insurgency that same day.

UAE is a "partner" in the war on terrorism because we "bought" their support with massive contract deals.  Most, if not all, of those little white trailers that the soldiers live inside while in Iraq that you may have see in the news..... all the one's I've ever seen were made in the UAE.  Stamped right on the frame.
Many of the Coalition was bought this way.  Britain got many security contracts, such as those with Blackwater, and we've purchased many tens of thousands of HESCO Bastions from them for force protection.  Russian contracts included the purchase of an ungodly amount of all types of wood products from them, and I saw many Russian military air transports in and out of BIAP. Turkey got trucking transportation contracts.  South Korea got many service contracts for laundry, cleaning, and cooking facilities. And so on....

Throw them all the money and contracts you want to at Middle Eastern countries, they'll still play both sides, if not out of their convictions, then out of simple self interest or survival.  
(Pakistan is a perfect example of this --- the Pakistani government cannot go after terrorists in their western frontier --- which they really don't control anyway--- or allow the American military to do so, because it could mean the fall of the government from a revolt of the people of Pakistan who support the terrorists more than they do the west.)
They may even conduct a few raids and round up the usual suspects to placate the west, get another bone thrown to them....then hand the prisoners the shovels to dig themselves out with.

Things are only getting worse.

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« Reply #50 on: February 22, 2006, 01:16:55 PM »
After some research, I'm begining to get a little more comfortable with the idea of DP World's involvement in our ports ...

here is an interesting commentary in their newspaper Khaleej Times - interesting publication.

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle.asp?xfile=data/comment/2006/February/comment_February20.xml§ion=comment&col=

still not convinced though...
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« Reply #51 on: February 22, 2006, 01:21:02 PM »
This admin has used fear of terrorism as a catch phrase to be re elected. Now they wonder why the public is up in arms over a ME country buying port operations. There own advertising is biting them in the bellybutton now.
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« Reply #52 on: February 22, 2006, 01:25:40 PM »
When did Hillary Clinton get a job in the Bush administration?  It's
bipartisan tards shooting from the hip on this issue.
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« Reply #53 on: February 22, 2006, 01:27:51 PM »
I think you could say that the admin didn't anticipate this reaction.  They should have taken steps to educate and inform the public if they strongly believe that DPW will be no danger to our security...
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« Reply #54 on: February 22, 2006, 01:35:29 PM »
The system is busted.. the 'vetting' process on foriegn investments in US industries; many of which are utterly critical for national security, particularly from a logistics standpoint; has ONE time in the last 25 years turned it's thumb down on a sale.

ONE time.

Since the 'committie' is a Treasury based operation, it's goals are NOT National Security.. and in fact most sales of our industries to overseas investors fly in the face of logic from a security standpoint. They do however make trade megabucks and to assume that the folks intimately involved in brokering deals like this don't get a pay-off out the back side is utterly assinine.

So, my question remains.. where did the money go? What promises and concessions were made by the administration?.. must be pretty significant to have the administration defy the overwhelming upswell of negative feedback, dontcha think?

Lastly; since they system is busted from a security standpoint the logic of defending the deal based on the 'government has already looked closely at this' comment from the president should be sending up all kinds of 'ABORT ABORT, ABORT' reactions from every government watchdog group in existence.

This thing has already become a microcosim of whats wrong with our government vetting businesses process... mayhaps it will also reveal how the 'big business of politics' has been and is continuing to sell out the vested intrests of America to foriegn intrests that have a history of screwing us in front of and behind the scenes.
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« Reply #55 on: February 22, 2006, 02:26:14 PM »
"This admin has used fear.."

  "Fear, shmear and anti-queer" has been thier M.O.


 But enough about that.  Did ya'll remember the '99 meeting between UAE royal family and Bin Laden?

 http://in.rediff.com/news/2004/mar/25osama.htm

  Course they were their trying to sell Girl Scout cookies to all of the terrorists in the camps

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« Reply #56 on: February 22, 2006, 05:31:33 PM »
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Ahh but if you own the management then you can get around those two items there. I still say keep them out of managing anything on US soil.


You do realize that there is a U.S. Navy port in Dubai.

Who do you think manages that?
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« Reply #57 on: February 22, 2006, 05:51:05 PM »
I'd be willing to bet it ain't the Navy.

and that's not an excuse for the ports deal.. it's just symptomatic of the problem.
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