Whats all this horse-crap about jets fighting at huge distances and not being able to dogfight?
In the Korean War, planes still fired from about 200 yards at each other
During Vietnam, there were still huge roving dogfights. Engagements beyond visual range were the rare exception.
Same for today. Pilots still go out and practice dogfighting. In the U.S., F-15 pilots are the best at it, as thats all they train for.
The thought that you stand off at long range, fire some missles, and kill your opponent is flawed, and it got alot of our planes shot down in Vietnam. If the initial missles miss, your in for a dogfight.