No, no...I never said that. Actually, the discussion seems to have evolved into something with a lot more depth, thought and information...regardless of one's position. Not to mention several very cogent points to consider. Please excuse me if I gave a different impression.
In fact, your original post, Funked, made what I think is essentially the same point; empty troll, no facts, no references and a raft of convenient assumptions. In fact, it appears that the instigator just dropped this well-baited line into the water, and hasn't been back since.
No...I intended to comment only on the original basis for the thread as being no more than an ignorant troll, not to suggest anything otherwise about other posters (even though I strenuously disagree with a particular line of thought being expressed).
I notice a real desire on the part of a distinct group of people in here to hunt for every opportunity for America-bashing they can find and, like anyone else, I get tired of it after a while. However, this being the country that it is (warts and all), they are most assuredly entitled to express their views...which more than can be said for many, many places on earth.
In the final analysis, what could be more appropriate in America than healthy Constitutional debate? We should have more of it, along with far more education on the matter. I simply won't subscribe to using such a lowbrow approach for initiating what could be a healthy and reasoned discussion.