Author Topic: A question about guns... (Read 2144 times)

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #60 on:** March 18, 2006, 02:28:25 AM »

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Originally posted by g00b
This will be my next gun purchase:

http://www.springfield-armory.com/prod-xdpstl-45acp.shtml

13+1 rounds of .45 acp goodness! Yum! I'm holding out for the 5 inch version, should be available in a few months.

g00b

Kewl choice.

Good Croatian gun!

lazs2 · « **Reply #61 on:** March 18, 2006, 09:01:24 AM »

You guys are probly right on the plastic high capacity double action pistols thing but...

I am old fashioned... I went plinking with my brother yesterday... I brought the guns I shoot the most.... My cut down 44 mag redhawk and my 45 kimber... both are new versions of very old tech and both are utterly reliable. Man... when that 250 grain 44 slug hits the bank it really throws some mud around!

Both guns are accurate and the 44 will hit stuff at ranges that shock modern plastic gun owners who have never shot past about 50 yards..

Best of all.... they both look good to me and fit my hand well. They are solid, fun guns that are easy to shoot and load for. Both shoot lead bullets just as well as jacketed.

I also have a 12 oz .357 j frame that is very good at what it is for.

I think timmie is from england tho guys.. england has a real hard envy thing going on the whole gun thing.... if they can't have em....

lazs

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #62 on:** March 18, 2006, 12:35:20 PM »

That 340PD 357 is something else lazs - very fun.

lazs2 · « **Reply #63 on:** March 18, 2006, 12:37:34 PM »

grun... you are the only person who has ever said the 340pd was "fun".

most who have shot it lose the color in their faces when I mention the gun.

grun fired a half a box of federal 125 hp's through the damn thing.... go figure...

lazs

g00b · « **Reply #64 on:** March 18, 2006, 02:09:44 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
You guys are probly right on the plastic high capacity double action pistols thing but...

I am old fashioned... I went plinking with my brother yesterday... I brought the guns I shoot the most.... My cut down 44 mag redhawk and my 45 kimber... both are new versions of very old tech and both are utterly reliable. Man... when that 250 grain 44 slug hits the bank it really throws some mud around!

Both guns are accurate and the 44 will hit stuff at ranges that shock modern plastic gun owners who have never shot past about 50 yards..

Best of all.... they both look good to me and fit my hand well. They are solid, fun guns that are easy to shoot and load for. Both shoot lead bullets just as well as jacketed.

I also have a 12 oz .357 j frame that is very good at what it is for.

I think timmie is from england tho guys.. england has a real hard envy thing going on the whole gun thing.... if they can't have em....

lazs

44 mag is a great choice, would be my 2nd choice. Extremely powerful, accurate and reliable. The only reason I'm picking the XD over a 44 mag is more then double the ammo capacity and the ammo is much cheaper.

357 just doesn't do it for me for some reason. Doesn't have anything on a .45 acp that I can see, they are both around 500fpe. 44 mag on the other hand can push close to 1000fpe!

Yes a 44 truly can "blow your head clean off".

g00b

wrag · « **Reply #65 on:** March 18, 2006, 03:01:51 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
You guys are probly right on the plastic high capacity double action pistols thing but...

I am old fashioned... I went plinking with my brother yesterday... I brought the guns I shoot the most.... My cut down 44 mag redhawk and my 45 kimber... both are new versions of very old tech and both are utterly reliable. Man... when that 250 grain 44 slug hits the bank it really throws some mud around!

Both guns are accurate and the 44 will hit stuff at ranges that shock modern plastic gun owners who have never shot past about 50 yards..

Best of all.... they both look good to me and fit my hand well. They are solid, fun guns that are easy to shoot and load for. Both shoot lead bullets just as well as jacketed.

I also have a 12 oz .357 j frame that is very good at what it is for.

I think timmie is from england tho guys.. england has a real hard envy thing going on the whole gun thing.... if they can't have em....

lazs

Hmmm I've hit hanging targets out to 100 yds with both a Colt Commander and a Springfield Trophy Match. Kinda funny though. Shoot wait for it wait for it CLANG!

wrag · « **Reply #66 on:** March 18, 2006, 03:04:22 PM »

For the person that thinks the 2nd Amendment doesn't mean what it says here is a little tidbit................

http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2006/032006/03122006/173743

There is allot of information out there that is based on FACT and not deception!

Edbert · « **Reply #67 on:** March 18, 2006, 05:16:44 PM »

You said the purpose is defense, it that for concealed carry on a regular basis or more for home-defense?

The 125gr .357mag round is far above any other cartridge for it's record of "one shot stops". There is also nothing more simple, fail-proof, and relaible than a revolver. For concealed carry duty I use a SP101, it carries five shots of full-power .357s in about the smalles form-factor available. The problem with a .357 revolver that is small enough for easy concealment in all weather is that it will not be suitable as a pleasure weapon, that little sucker kicks like a mule. I use .38+P for practise to mitigate that "feature".

The same is true for the .45ACP but to a lesser extent. Even the smallest .45ACP semi-auto is somewhat problematic for concealment and comfort, particularly for summer and folks who do not have a large body mass. If you really want to carry a semi-auto pistol then the .40SW is a good alternative to the 9mm. It sorta fills in right between the .45 and the nine as far as delivering foot-pounds to your threat. But for a nice small package that can hide under a T-shirt the 9mm is hard to beat, and it certainly carries enough power to keep you alive if you shoot well. If you cannot shoot well enough to guarantee that then even the .454-Casull wont cut it.

If concealment is not an issue and you are looking for home defense your shotgun is hard to beat but there's a vociferous crowd who like the CAR-15 or M4gery for such duty. With the use of frangible bullets they have been demonstrated to be less penetrative than 00-buck.

ETA: Goob, you are right in your assesment of the power delivery capacity of the .44mag versus the .357mag, but studies show that for thin skinned game it is actually OVER penetrative, simple truth is most of the energy gets delivered downrange of the target rather than into it. In fact the same is true for the .45ACP since the .38SW has a better one shot stop record than the .45ACP, there seems to be something about the 125gr .357 that causes an explosive effect to the bullet while the big 230gr bullets just blow right on through.

Morpheus · « **Reply #68 on:** March 18, 2006, 08:05:48 PM »

I can't carry anything other than a 1911. Its heavier and bigger than most of my other carry guns but I like knowing its there and to be honest I have gotten use to the weight of it. I carried around an S&W 340PD for a week or two. It was really nice and comfortable to carry, but like my tiny little cell phone I had to have, I felt like I was going to lose the dam thing.

lazs2 · « **Reply #69 on:** March 19, 2006, 09:49:02 AM »

morph... did you try some of the front pocket holsters for J frames? they fit the pocket and are "sticky" on the outside... and slick on the inside... the holster stays in the pocket and keeps the gun butt up...

44 mag has the energy and some say... overpenetration... that is true because it is a hunting round pretty much... some of the newer bullets like the hydro shock are making the 44 a very nasty round... I like that you can shoot through car doors and glass with it too.

wrag... I have hit stuff out to 200 yards with a 45 acp but.... it is a rainbow trajectory and.... if you can't see the bullet strike you have no idea how much to hold up...

At 400 yards... all the front sight is used and you are aiming at a cloud and still dropping 20 ft short.

With a 44 you can still see what you are aiming at.

I guess where I am at is.... I like guns and I reload out of fun and to make it cheaper to shoot. I also am a believer that I am well armed with a single action revolver of 1800's tech... it just isn't that important to me...

double and tripple taps in .123456 of a sec and a lot of the "training" is superflourous when compared to the will to win and taking your time quickly in my opinion... hitting something good with a decent caliber is everything.

hell... if speed and spray were all that matters... A single action revolver is the fastest out of the holster and for the first shot... No auto can beat a double action revolver for speed of firing either..

I don't think those microseconds are that important tho nor, is 30 round capacity in most cases... every real life gunfight I ever read about boiled down to aiming the gun and getting one good hit in.

lazs

Hangtime · « **Reply #70 on:** March 19, 2006, 10:25:42 AM »

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every real life gunfight I ever read about boiled down to aiming the gun and getting one good hit in.

that's the rub... always will be. when yer mind is screaming like a woman, yer heart is pumping mass quantities of adrenaline and yer eyes are wider than opras ass.. it's hard to hit a damn thing with a pistol for some reason.

Just fer funzies, do what I did with a guy that thought he wuz the shiznit with his 9mm. We ran back from the 25 yard target; picked our pieces up, turned and fired out a mag. Neither one of us hit once.

Did the same thing with a Rifle.. we were on the target and getting hits immediately.

Which lends serious credence to the old adage 'a pistol is what you use to fight your way to your rifle'. If yer ever headed for a situtaion where gunplay may be involved, holster the pistol, get the rife up and on the ready. Hit first. Game over.

Morpheus · « **Reply #71 on:** March 19, 2006, 11:11:30 AM »

I ended up going with a soft inside the pants holster and will probably carry it in the summer when its hot out and I have shorts and T-shirt.

lazs2 · « **Reply #72 on:** March 19, 2006, 12:19:50 PM »

hang.. you have a point. if you have a rifle and it is functional or you can make it instantly functional or your target is a long way off.... use the rifle.. if all you got is a handgun and you know how to use it...

lots of people have been killed by handguns... even with a rifle I would want to carry a handgun too. I find that if I take my time I might get 2 shots out of my 44 mag while the autoloaders are getting 6 or 7 at that 25 yard target (probly a can) but... I will hit it and they won't... in fact... they are probly shooting over the bank and being dangerous...

I have also seen people miss with rifles....I know in wars that people miss with rifles from allmost point blank range.

I guess the point is to know your gun and at what ranges you can hit with it at how fast.

lazs

Maverick · « **Reply #73 on:** March 19, 2006, 12:44:39 PM »

For "serious" purposes, an hand gun, of any type, is a close quarters weapon. It has advantages in close situations or confined areas that a rifle can't properly address. Once the range opens up to beyond 20 yards the rifle becomes king.

Hangtime · « **Reply #74 on:** March 19, 2006, 04:02:40 PM »

I think the reason we did better with rifles in a stressed body shoot is just the 'dampening' effect the 7-10 pound weight and the ability to 'pocket' the stock against a part of yer body that ain't pulsating and twitching from all the adrenaline. Sad reality is I just couldn't steady up in an extended arm pistol stance well enough to get on the paper at 25 yards.

bein old sucks.