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« Reply #90 on: March 26, 2006, 12:49:55 PM »
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« Reply #91 on: March 26, 2006, 12:58:32 PM »
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In response to Holden's logic:  While lack of observation does nothing to prove the existance of something, it doesn't disprove it either.  Those wierd fangly fishes lived in the Challenger deep way before we were aware of the possibility of their existance.


Which is why it is illogical to believe in the nonexistance of something.

However according to some interpretations of quantum theory, it might not exist until we measure it and cause the collapse of the wave function.
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« Reply #92 on: March 26, 2006, 01:05:22 PM »
My guess is that there are aliens... I am not gonna say it is impossible.   I freely admit that it is possible.

santa?  oops.... that one existed... good thing I didn't really care eh?

Hang... I agree with you on the first.... I left home so that my mommy couldn't tell me what to do and have the authority to back it up.... that is why I don't vote for democrats.... took 17 years to get out of the house sure don't want to vote my mommy into a position of autority over me...

religion?  yep.... not a fan of religion in that respect... don't want them to tell me what to do either.   So long as they are weak tho.... they are a positive (overall) influence on the human condition.

so far as god? that is different...  it is based on a personal belief... no agnostic need fear my belief since no strings are attached.... Like you said tho... The athiests are not my friends either.... their religion has just as much or more potential for harm (look at commies)

Soo.... no one needs fear the agnostic or the theist who has a personal religion.... the only ones to fear are those who would tell others what they are allowed to believe.

I can't imagine science ever explaining the begining of all things.   In this respect... a creator seems as sensible as anything.   it is only when we claim that we can explain this creator that we get into trouble.

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« Reply #93 on: March 26, 2006, 01:11:41 PM »
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I can't imagine science ever explaining the begining of all things. In this respect... a creator seems as sensible as anything. it is only when we claim that we can explain this creator that we get into trouble.


And.. we're off the hook on this one. Proof is not likely to be forthcoming any time soon. Any pretense by any group of 'knowing' is just laughable delusion; harmless in itself.. dangerous when an army stands behind the concept.
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« Reply #94 on: March 26, 2006, 02:31:13 PM »
I like this:

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As an atheist you have a number of rights and responsibilities. These include (but are not limited to):

   1. Have no gods.
   2. Don't worship stuff.
   3. Be polite.
   4. Take a day off once in a while.
   5. Be nice to folks.
   6. Don't kill people.
   7. Don't fool around on your significant other.
   8. Don't steal stuff.
   9. Don't lie about stuff.
  10. Don't be greedy.

Remember, theists will condemn you for living by this code because you are doing it of your own free will instead of because you're afraid that if you don't a supreme being will set you on fire.
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« Reply #95 on: March 26, 2006, 02:50:06 PM »
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I can't imagine science ever explaining the begining of all things.  
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I see that as a failure of imagination not of science.

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« Reply #96 on: March 26, 2006, 03:53:46 PM »
Does science have to prove everything right now lazs? Isn't it enough to know that like many things, there are logical explanations for events, not explanations wound up in magic and mysticism?

Heres a wee google project for you lazs... find the creation myth in Buddhism (ie what did Buddha teach with regard to the creation of the universe and his teachings).

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« Reply #97 on: March 26, 2006, 05:38:34 PM »
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Lazs, everytime a law based on religion is passed, you are affected, whether you know it or not.  Most obscenity laws, for instance.  How about laws regarding consensual sex between adults?  There are states in the union where oral sex is outlawd under sodomy statutes.  

When your tax dollars go to religion, there's another place where the theists are taking choice away from you.  When our children can't be taught the scientific theory of evolution (you give lip service to science in your last post, what do you tihnk of the evolution debate in the schools?), that hurts all of us.  When our kids cannot be taught that the universe is billions of years old because christians think that's "insensitive" to their religion, you're affected.  Next time you go under the knife for surgery, do you want it to be by someone who believes that their actions are unimportant and that "god's will will prevail", or do you want a doctor who will fight any complication so that you come out alive on the other end of the operation?

Basically, I'm saying that if you think that you're unaffected by the legislation that theists pass every week, you're not thinking things through.

To come back to the original post, the idea that someone would be untrusted specifically because they're atheist is just another step in the long road towards establishing a theocracy.  First, discredit anyone who might disagree, then you're on the home stretch.


Hmmm..........

I find I really have a problem with this part.........

Next time you go under the knife for surgery, do you want it to be by someone who believes that their actions are unimportant and that "god's will will prevail", or do you want a doctor who will fight any complication so that you come out alive on the other end of the operation?

...........this to me says there is a hugh misunderstanding going on and I don't think it's me that misunderstands.

And this part, for me anyway, say moral relativism................

To come back to the original post, the idea that someone would be untrusted specifically because they're atheist is just another step in the long road towards establishing a theocracy.

............  not so much that I trust people or don't trust people.  Generaly I find I don't.  Problem is, at least for me, far too many have a VERY flexible set of morals now days.   Leaves one wondering just what is alright and what is wrong, what is an insult and what is a compliment, what they want because the feel a certain way on a certain day?  Will that change because they eat something the night before that doesn't agree with em this morning?  The U.S. is not nor, at least to my knowledge, has it ever been a theocracy.

Many of the so called blue laws were created at a time in history when people had a different understanding of health and welfare and noticed that they had NO CURES!.  (A.I.D.S. Syph, Gon, chlamydia, herpies, etc. etc. etc. )  Hmmm ya know maybe the ideas they had weren't quite so STUPID?  I mean really! Look at the GROWTH of infection and the NEW STD's that have ARRIVED since the sexual revolution????

Want a more explained, detailed, example?  It at least for me is an entirely different subject and will take allot of space.

Anything to win????????

And this................

Basically, I'm saying that if you think that you're unaffected by the legislation that theists pass every week, you're not thinking things through.

........... like any of us aren't affected by any legislation passed by theist or atheist?????

I can't say I know for sure, but I think laz is trying to say something along the line of the above replys.
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« Reply #98 on: March 26, 2006, 05:41:13 PM »
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What other people think is none of your business so this is not 'your' problem.

Yes this is a widely accepted view, but just because 'they' say so doesnt mean it holds any weight of truth.

I have a question for Christians. Who holds the authority? The church? The bible? (Keep in mind this book has been translated and re-written hundreds of times over the last 2000 years. Ever played the game telephone? Thats the Bible IMO) Do YOU hold authority over non-christians? Give me a reason why you think this as well so I can laugh at it.

Nobody knows anything more than anyone else does. THAT is the only truth when it comes to anything of the religious nature.


Dead Sea Scrolls...................
It's been said we have three brains, one cobbled on top of the next. The stem is first, the reptilian brain; then the mammalian cerebellum; finally the over developed cerebral cortex.  They don't work together in awfully good harmony - hence ax murders, mobs, and socialism.

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« Reply #99 on: March 26, 2006, 06:13:59 PM »
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Dead Sea Scrolls...................


Written by men and misinterpreted/translated to suit their specific ideology be it judiac or christian dogmas. not to mention the cool calendar.

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« Reply #100 on: March 26, 2006, 06:24:45 PM »
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Dead Sea Scrolls...................


This is exactly what im talking about.. Who are these people that write these things, and in all honesty, who should really give a #*%$??? I could write some random BS down, religious in nature, and call it truth, but who's going to believe me? Nobody. So these scrolls were found.. Who cares? Not me. Why? Because whoever the author of these scrolls is doesnt know any more than anyone else. End of story.


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« Reply #101 on: March 26, 2006, 06:34:46 PM »
I haven't met anyone yet who became religious so they could learn magic and superstition.  Our Bible teacher in 7th grade told us a story about missionaries she knew who were in Africa (she herself had been a missionary in Brazil.)  Her friends in Africa had seen a head come floating in their hut, circle around and go out the door.  The witch doctor had done this to get them to leave, and they did leave the next day.

This story was facinating to me because it seems so unbelievable.  However, they took it very seriously and believe magic and sorcery is real.  

About these ghost hunter shows on TV.  Does anyone think those guys are scientists, or are they just making an entertaining tv show?  Why is there a ghost-cam in the engine room of the USS Lexington?  Tourist gimmick or serious business?  I don't believe in ghosts.  If I saw one I would.  What about SETI and the big array?  Waste of time or serious business?


I think there are many possible things out there.  I'm not a scientist.  Scientists are practical and not usually prone to overactive imaginations.  They seek proof through repeatable experimentation and predicted results.  On the other hand, to me, where science is concerned, it is biased to not reasonably consider any and all possible answers.  Even logic says, sometimes the answer may be the least logical one, or the least likely.  Also, logic can be fallable. There is also the possibility the answer is unprovable and may be out of the realm of science.

The world is an imperfect place and full of trouble.  Men are imperfect, but also have spiritual needs.  Religion serves these needs for some.  For some it may be hard work and achieving a sense of accomplishment, but there is a need for something outside yourself.  This is why friends are important.  No one wants to be an island.





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« Reply #102 on: March 26, 2006, 06:35:19 PM »
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Written by men and misinterpreted/translated to suit their specific ideology be it judiac or christian dogmas. not to mention the cool calendar.



compared the very old scrolls with current bible .................  same same......  no change.

Any misinterpretation or translation to suite... by who?  ideology?  Seems pretty much the same judaic or christian to a certain point.  Seems to change/diverge only with the advent of the one known to christians as the Christ.

Use a Strongs Concordance.  It contains the original greek and or aramaic words and meaning of those words contained with the bible.
It's been said we have three brains, one cobbled on top of the next. The stem is first, the reptilian brain; then the mammalian cerebellum; finally the over developed cerebral cortex.  They don't work together in awfully good harmony - hence ax murders, mobs, and socialism.

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« Reply #103 on: March 26, 2006, 06:49:42 PM »
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so far as god? that is different...  it is based on a personal belief... no agnostic need fear my belief since no strings are attached.... Like you said tho... The athiests are not my friends either.... their religion has just as much or more potential for harm (look at commies)

lazs


Atheists exist for almost 2 thousands years (the first were ancient Greeks) but commies are guilty :)
Ok, ok, it is just retort.

Talking seriously, I definitly consider myself is agnostic. From the Soviet kindergarten till post-university I was told that there is no answer on the Main question of philosophy: "what is primary - spirit or materia?" Christianity, atheism, ancient gods... its all are religions. Do you believe that only pure physics created this world (something like "ok, so happened") or somebody or something made some efforts to do that (something like "if I would do that it will be nice. And if I'll make them different, say man and woman, it will be even more funny!")

I don't know answer on this question, and even being in the USSR I didn't pretend to know the answer.

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« Reply #104 on: March 26, 2006, 09:02:20 PM »
Thank GOD the Japanesse eat raw fish....

 the thought of eating raw chicken makes wanna gag.




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