Mosquito defensive maneuvers

[SlapShot]

Originally posted by Flatbar
I guess you missed my point, but I suspect your aim will get better with age

Having good SA is just as important a factor in a fight as the strengths and weakness of a particular fighter if you fly to fight and survive.

LOL .. my aim is fine ... thanks for asking ...

The point was ... and you missed it ... you really never had a FIGHT (with the exception of the Spitty) so you weren't really flying to "fight and survive", so you really can't speak from a point of strength when commenting on how good of a "fighter" it is.

What you did could have been accomplished in any plane ... the Mossie really had nothing to do with it.

[SgtPappy]

wooah.. despite all the arguements, thanks for all the info. i dont think i'll have time to master the mossie, but i sure have great respect for one.. just like ive always had.. but now wen i see a mossie in the MA, im ganna hafta watch out!

[dedalos]

Originally posted by Flatbar
Now, for those who think that a Mossie is only good for vulching and HO's, I think that you're just flying it the way you fly all fighters

and you you go on to explain:

Not realising that I still had 500 pounders on my wings and that I had left the bomb bay open I went on the attack. My first kill was a P51 who tried to attack me from 10 high. I just turned my nose up to him and we both fired our guns. A few 20mm hits on his elevetors and he was harmlessly floating down to earth.
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Was that a HO?

Then I saw a C-Hog who had spotted out BAM1 in a goon about 4km from the base. BAM1 made him miss his first pass and as he was getting lined up for another pass I was presented with a beautiful full planeform deflection shot and shredded off his starboard wing.
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Bad SA or cherry?

Next a Seafire was buzzing around and I decided to turn with him a bit but after the first two turns he decided to go verticle, bad mistake on his part as he wound up nothing but a fuselage lawndarting to earth. Looked funny, like a missle at the apex of his flight as it noses over in it's final dash to it's death.
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Got 1, cool

Finaly another C-Hog is buzzing around and I was able to get on his 6 from about 2k above. I dove down gathering speed to catch up with him and just as he kills one of our Mossies I pop him with a short 20mm burst.
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Alt advantage and bad SA

Now, I'm no great virtual pilot, but to get four kills in my first Mossie flight, to me, kinda shows that either the Mossie is a very capable fighter if flown to it's strengths and aggressivly, or that those Rooks that died to my guns were very much lacking in SA, which I think most will agree, that SA is just as or even more important than what plane you are flying and those other pilot skills that people in AH are trying to attain and for some, brag about. [/B]

You are right.  It was their SA that killd them.  Not the Mossi.

[dedalos]

Originally posted by Masherbrum
I disagree.  But, if you say so.

Karaya

Explain please.  What else could they do vs a fighter?  Do you ever fly a Mossi?

[dedalos]

Originally posted by bozon
dedalos,
as for my 1st point Flatbar has kindly spelled it out for you:
 
bla bla bla bla
 

I did not take the thread personaly.  Only your posts.  Unlike flatbar that just posted his opinion, you came out of nowhere, took one of my responces to someone else out of context, and made some stupid remarks.

So, what is your in game ID?  Why hide it?

[Karnak]

Dedalos,

I think you are being a tad unreasonable.

You demand a co-E start to be on equal footing, but the only way that is going to ever be true is if the two fighters are the same, all the way down to the ammount of fuel they have.  Beyond that, for it to be a fiar fight, one fighter will always need some advantage over the other, be it pilot skill, position or E state.  To dismiss any kill because it started from an altitude advantage is ridiculous.  Do you, as you are playing, say "Got 'em, but it didn't count as he was below me." or "I will only ever attack fighters that are co-E (as though you can tell) or with superior E."?  I somehow doubt it, which means you are holding the Mossie, for whatever reasons of hostility you have, to an unreasonable standard.


Nobody has ever claimed the Mossie was the most spectacular one-on-one dogfighter, not even those who claim to be able to fly it like a Spit.  For some reason you seem very set in stone as to the Mossie's complete uselessness and will not take anything else for an answer.

Did you watch the Mossie VI vs Spit XVI film?  Certainly it wasn't the best Spit pilot, but the Mossie drew it out far, far longer than your discription would have us believe possible against any Spit XVI, and it started co-alt.


For my part I simply like the Mossie.  I like to aircraft and its history.  I was merely good enough to be able to use it with more success than failure.  Does that mean I am bragging?  I don't know.

[dedalos]

Karmak, ofcorse not.  I will attack anything.  I never claimed that I wont count a kill because I had the advantage.  I never said the Mossi was useless nor do I have any hostility towards it.  here is how it started:

Someone asked a question about the mossi.  I figured it would be funny to reply the way I did.  Had this been an LA7 question everyone would have jumped in saing lalas and their pilits suck

However, what happened was that some one said that a good pilot (usually people mean themselfs when they say that) could fly it like a spit.  So, I replied to that and then someone that really likes the plane and hapens to be good in it took it kind of personally.  Some insults were thrown out so I figued I'd continue.  Then some people that never fly it nor could fly a spit like a spit had to put their 2 cents in.

So, nothing against the mossie.  But you cannot really argue that it is a good fighter.  It was never meant to be that.  Can some people fly it really well?  Sure.  Do most use it for vulching?  you can bet.  And yes you can say that about every other plane also.  As far as the film goes, well I have one from last night were a mossi ingnored every plane around it and made a bee line for the vulch.  He just exploded on the runway.  Does that prove anything?

So, no hostility against the plane or anyone else.  Some people failed to see the sarkasm in the original post, some got upset because I described them preety  well and some wanted to tell everyone how good they are by knowing how to fight with a mossi.

I've killed spit16s and nikis in a P40 several times.  Does that make it the secret ultimet fighter that can be flown like a spit?  Afcorse not.  Those guys either got jumped, had low e, or were just inexperienced.  Nothing to do with the plane.  Given any half dicent stick in those spits or nikis and having seen me on time, I would have died every single time.  So, same goes for the mossie