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« Reply #15 on: April 02, 2006, 01:32:34 AM »
:lol :rofl :lol :rofl :lol


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wahh! wahh! my fat ugly plane now is not only fat and ugly but it is no longer modelled like a ufo!

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« Reply #16 on: April 02, 2006, 01:49:27 AM »
I thought Speed = Life :)

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« Reply #17 on: April 02, 2006, 03:04:51 AM »
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Yea, I came back after a short break to find the P38 now unable to enter a snap roll stall like it used to, but now it feels like things are flying on rails since the combat trim has been made much more efficient.

Simply put, the P38 could climb with flaps fully down and AH's doesn't.

IMHO, this new flight model is a step backwards... it is more gamey and feels more like AW than something from this decade.


Did the real P-38 climb with FULL flaps?

BTW, these "full flaps close to the stall" endless maneuvers of the AH's american irons have always amazed me ...
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« Reply #18 on: April 02, 2006, 03:13:56 AM »
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Did the real P-38 climb with FULL flaps?

BTW, these "full flaps close to the stall" endless maneuvers of the AH's american irons have always amazed me ...


Rightly so. I think now it's much more realistic. Whether it still needs tweaking on the P38 (the nose down is kinda odd) but in general I think it's far far better than what we've had since AH2 came out.

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« Reply #19 on: April 02, 2006, 03:56:10 AM »
been flying the G only  its not that fast and i  fly it on the stall alot.

maybe i just flew to little but i cannot feel minor differences.

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« Reply #20 on: April 02, 2006, 04:02:18 AM »
Where did HTC stated that it changed the FM ?

I mean yesterday i tangled with hurries,F4's and there no extra problems with it.

The P38 is still amazing.
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« Reply #21 on: April 02, 2006, 06:26:53 AM »



EDIT: Not My Work BTW......
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« Reply #22 on: April 02, 2006, 08:42:54 AM »
Maybe you aren't supposed to use flaps in landing positions for combat purposes.

 Maybe being able to use such a high-degree of drag-creating mechanism at its fullest for purposes outside of temporary stabilization before landing, was the really "gamey" thing, which was rightfully fixed with the new versions.

 
 I wouldn't know.

 Anybody have real-life accounts of planes flopping around and maneuvering at 2mph above stall speed with flaps out in a full landing position?

 By the way, the P-38 Fowlers seem no different than other slotted types once they go over some 3~4 notches of deployment. The Ki-84 Fowlers extend just straight back from the trailing edge of the wing, almost making it look like the wing area is growing. Even at landing position it extends and arcs only slightly downward.

 If you look at the P-38s, its own Fowlers does the same up to about two notches or so, but with full deployment it arcs down at a steep angle. As a layman, the way it looks doesn't seem to be any more 'efficient' than any typical slotted flap that was fully extended.


ps) Not to mention the fact that the sight of seeing US planes being unable to do the ol' "hovercraft" crap is unmeasurably satisfying to my eyes.

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« Reply #23 on: April 02, 2006, 08:58:19 AM »
You guys misunderstand me... even tho the P38 has lost some of that low speed handling, it doesn't snaproll anymore and that is a really decent trade. I'm not saying the P38 has been 'nerfed', but the overall flight model has been made alot easier.

It just seems to me that there is alot less departure and it feels like it flies on rails now. Except for the rare times I'm turn fighting at 90 ias, the P38 is even incredible... and I hate to say it, I don't like it.

I don't like that 'rail' feeling... I feel it is a step backwards in the FM model.
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« Reply #24 on: April 02, 2006, 09:01:45 AM »
"Maybe you aren't supposed to use flaps in landing positions for combat purposes."


that may be part of the key .. but as a jug dweeb we cant slam the over 3 notches in a turn fight or we get the "Floppity Brick" .. what i see/feel now is the  heavy management to manuver type planes are having to suffer a slower feel and air speed in the game ..


We want our 38's and jugs tuned back up so we can keep hurting "barbie spit 16's"  even the p51 seams to be more manuverable as of late.
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« Reply #25 on: April 02, 2006, 09:24:32 AM »
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It just seems to me that there is alot less departure and it feels like it flies on rails now. Except for the rare times I'm turn fighting at 90 ias, the P38 is even incredible... and I hate to say it, I don't like it.

I don't like that 'rail' feeling... I feel it is a step backwards in the FM model.


 But technically, shouldn't that be how a P-38 flies and feels? It neutralizes it's own torque with counter rotational props.

 I agree that I also feel the amount of general stability of all the planes have increased a lot, but there could be any number of reasons behind this - for one thing, the visual buffeting effect makes controlling planes immensely easier than before. I never realized that getting a visual input alongside audio input, was this effective.

 Maybe people are avoiding going over the limit much more easily than they used to.



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that may be part of the key .. but as a jug dweeb we cant slam the over 3 notches in a turn fight or we get the "Floppity Brick" .. what i see/feel now is the heavy management to manuver type planes are having to suffer a slower feel and air speed in the game ..

 We want our 38's and jugs tuned back up so we can keep hurting "barbie spit 16's" even the p51 seams to be more manuverable as of late.


 Maybe you should just accept the fact that a 13,000lbs plane just cannot really 'hurt' a 6,000lbs plane in their own game, no matter how much flaps are used, Rosc :).

 As for the P-51s, I'm hearing mixed opinions about it too - for instance, Magoo points out that he feels the P-51s are also heavily hit by the FM change,.

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« Reply #26 on: April 02, 2006, 09:28:32 AM »
13,000 lb s' ... nah mine is still on its diet ..(at least they didnt mess around with the secret jug society tricks )
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« Reply #27 on: April 02, 2006, 10:21:21 AM »
I was never a great fan of the flaps overusage. When I get past the 2nd notch of flaps I'm not really turning but trying to stop myself in mid air. Flying a Jug that is.

They do seem more realistic now in the way they bleed your E. Flaps do not improve the sustained turn rate - just reduce the turn radius and the instantanious turn rate below max G speeds. That is how it works now and I'm happy about it even though it hurts my plane to some extent. People will just have to realise that "combat" flaps means just the 1st or 2nd notches and that using it comes at a price.

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« Reply #28 on: April 02, 2006, 10:42:13 AM »
LOL this thread sucks. Poor P38. Maybe after its been completely de-nut'd we can remove one of the engines.
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« Reply #29 on: April 02, 2006, 10:50:56 AM »
The 38 is so dweeby we have to give them clueless dweebfire and lgay7 pilots a chance.  :t
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