Author Topic: P38 has been Porked (Read 2879 times)

Raptor · « **on:** April 01, 2006, 10:18:25 PM »

The P38's low speed handling completely sucks since 2.07. Once flaps are extended 75% or more it wont even nose up. I've noticed with full throttle, auto pilot and full flaps, the P38 loses alt. It feels like I am flying with "stall limit enabled" but I checked and it is in fact off. I've had 109's with gondolas loaded out turn me, which did not happen before. The only thing that flaps seem to do for the 38 is add drag and no lift. The new stall FM seems good for most planes; for example before 2.07, planes such as P51s and P47s would use full flaps to help them turn, but in WW2 pilots wouldn't dare extend flaps to that degree while in a combat situation. But for planes with Fowler/ Butterfly flaps it does not seem realistic at all.
I do not fly the Ki84 often so I do not know how effective its flaps are now compared to before.

MOSQ · « **Reply #1 on:** April 01, 2006, 11:17:03 PM »

Ki-84 seems to be the same.

Krusty · « **Reply #2 on:** April 01, 2006, 11:26:44 PM »

Maybe they're not porked... Maybe they were fixed. Seems that way across the board. One to two notches of flaps = old benefit. Full flaps = landing only. <-- that's how it is post 2.07.

Delirium · « **Reply #3 on:** April 01, 2006, 11:36:26 PM »

Yea, I came back after a short break to find the P38 now unable to enter a snap roll stall like it used to, but now it feels like things are flying on rails since the combat trim has been made much more efficient.

Simply put, the P38 could climb with flaps fully down and AH's doesn't.

IMHO, this new flight model is a step backwards... it is more gamey and feels more like AW than something from this decade.

RTSigma · « **Reply #4 on:** April 01, 2006, 11:37:15 PM »

Ki-84 is great for slow ropes and scissors; one night I was able to rack up some good numbers. Take in mind I consider myself a HORRIBLE fighter pilot.

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #5 on:** April 01, 2006, 11:43:04 PM »

Just take care when you deploy the last notch of flaps and don't ride it for too long and it won't be a problem. This last patch in no way hindered the abilities of the P-38.

ack-ack

Raptor · « **Reply #6 on:** April 01, 2006, 11:58:03 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
Maybe they're not porked... Maybe they were fixed. Seems that way across the board. One to two notches of flaps = old benefit. Full flaps = landing only. <-- that's how it is post 2.07.

Maybe so for conventional flaps. P38 and Ki84 flaps are meant to be used at higher degrees. One or two notches is not the norm for the P38, 3 or 4 is closer to normal fighting conditions.
I have to disagree ack ack, it cannot loop, nor can it spiral climb anywhere near as well as it use to. It just seems as if the new flap system does not properly effect fowler flaps.

SAS_KID · « **Reply #7 on:** April 02, 2006, 12:10:33 AM »

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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Just take care when you deploy the last notch of flaps and don't ride it for too long and it won't be a problem. This last patch in no way hindered the abilities of the P-38.

ack-ack

how do you know it hasn't?? have you been on a shade account or have come back?????

Edit: Yes also the 38 seems to have lost a lot of low speed performance.

Lazerr · « **Reply #8 on:** April 02, 2006, 12:52:53 AM »

AKAK, I fly 38 little more than most people, especially slow.

Its lost a lot of ability. I used to be able to tangle with spit16 at low speed, now its not worth trying. Flys the same at speed, but 75% flaps its porked.

PLEASE give old 38 back HTC.

Hades55 · « **Reply #9 on:** April 02, 2006, 01:04:06 AM »

Well, you now have air brakes. Not bad at all

bkbandit · « **Reply #10 on:** April 02, 2006, 01:06:57 AM »

i think the messed up more thing then they fixed with patch, the world doesnt need a slower corsair.

wetrat · « **Reply #11 on:** April 02, 2006, 01:13:02 AM »

if it's any consolation to you, they made 109's fly better. they still suck tho.

~rat

BUG_EAF322 · « **Reply #12 on:** April 02, 2006, 01:22:58 AM »

sorry guys i notice nothing.

Raptor · « **Reply #13 on:** April 02, 2006, 01:26:42 AM »

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Originally posted by wetrat
if it's any consolation to you, they made 109's fly better. they still suck tho.

~rat

I noticed that, I upped a 109G2 WITH gondolas and got 6 kills easily. I think that 1 sortie got me more kills than I got in a P38 all day.

38ruk · « **Reply #14 on:** April 02, 2006, 01:31:00 AM »

The low speed flight characteristics have definetly changed bug , if you aren't noticing ANYTHING, they your keeping it fast . The just above stall , full flap turn fight is a thing of the past with this new patch . Right or wrong , i cant say , ive never flown a real 38.